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<div>An Introduction and short History of the Carrick Overbrook Historical Society<br />
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"My", First order of business; "The Hornaday road report."<br />
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John Rudiak and I, { Joe Krynock } were talking at the 2007 Hornaday Road, block party. John mentioned that he was going to the Recorder of Deeds office to research deed information for his home and for his daughter’s home, also in Carrick. Since I wanted to explore my homes past and to determine a build date for my place, John and I planned to go there together. I had researched deeds before But that seamed long ago. As we talked more during the block party, other neighbors mentioned historic info about their homes or rumored information of "OUR" neighborhood. Yet not many knew specific details for sure. Since John had already been living here; when I moved into Carrick. (in 1982) I asked John, if he knew any historic details about Hornaday Road.<br />
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"Not really" he said. <br />
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I told him that A Pittsburgh "Councilman” named Phillips was a friend of William T. Hornaday. In fact; when they were not hunting together, they promoted stuff like Boy Scouting, better zoos and conservation.<br />
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“This Hornaday?, John asked “Who was he?”.<br />
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So, I told him; " William T. Hornaday was a Conservation minded Writer But He was also a taxidermist and the director;.. at the Bronx zoo ."<br />
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"How did you find that?” John asked.<br />
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“Honestly, by accident! Years ago; I bought a bargain priced book; called “Buck fever”, mostly because it written by Mike Sajna, { now deceased } a name I recognised. Mike Sajna's book was printed by the University of Pittsburgh Press. It was about deer hunting and Pennsylvania Game Commission history. I stated that I wanted to expand on,that small bit of information,... Someday!"<br />
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John said," Well,you are retired!"<br />
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I went to bed with that thought in my head. The next morning, (after the "Late night Party") ; I found my copy of “Buck fever” and re-read pages 68 to 78 to refresh my memory. Then I sent this e mail to John on Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:01:16 AM Subject: Hornaday history;<br />
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Hey John, Perhaps we could collaborate on a Hornaday history, A kind of story or report; ( Hopefully / certainly it would be done ),..before the next block party; in 2008 . JOE K<br />
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With these few clues we started “OUR” search on August 20th 2007. John and I started at the Recorder of Deeds office downtown. We researched thru many Deed books to track our property records. We spent most of a day there; without trying to find his dayghters deed info. In the process; John found some information about J.B.Murray's housing plan; and had copies made for our later referance. Murray's housing plan, had been aid out in December of 1859.<br />
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This map <br />
[[Image:Image:1905 j.b.murray plan.jpg]]<br />
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and information was related to '''all of the homes and owners in the area; "IT" raised questions and eyebrows.'''<br />
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A short time later, We went to the local library. We asked if they had any local or Historical information there. They did, the librarian on duty showed us where to begin. Quite quickly we were surprised. Aparently a man named Joe Spiceker??? who lives on Agnew, Had been archiving items for close to twenty years already and had assembled many binders of information. As John and I broused through the files; John found a crumpled piece of paper, with something inside it. It was a metal badge, from a former fireman when Carrick was a borough. John and I both felt that this item was not just rare But of "Historic" importance to the community. John immeadiately showed it to the libraian, asking if there was a "Secure" place where she could store it. As we looked at the collection of photos and news articals, we found that some were missing and / or shuffled somewhat as to page numbers. John commented that if all this stuff was loaded into computor format,... it would be easier to protect and collect. Old photos lay at the bottom of a drawer, perhaps they fell out or they were never identified and mounted. <br />
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'''Computors are not''' what I did for my living and I felt that my plan for a short letter to the neighbors;... had suddenly got me into much deeper waters than I had intended; We waded in anyway. John suggested that instead of saving our own copies, ( probobly reams of paper and info ) at our homes,…that we load it all ; into a website for anyone ( Not Just Hornaday residents ) to explore in their own time and leisure. So,... it was John who took me into this new and uncharted territory, with the website idea.<br />
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Often and Independently; we looked for maps and stuff on internet sites. I found the Historic Pittsburgh Project online. Among their sources and maps; was this survey map dated 1905 and I showed it to John. It showed that a John Phillips had owned a piano shaped piece of land for “ his mansion ” when it faced the Southern Ave. ( also known as Brownsville road ; the Southern Road ” or “ The plank road, and /or the toll road”} With 3 toll booths between Arlington ave. and Present day Concord school. <br />
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From Pittsburgh to Brownsville Pennsylvania is approximately 42 miles. In those early years; Brownsville was on the first “ National Road ”; known as route 40 today. It follows British General Braddock’s campaign trail into our area. It served as the first road to the west, (thru Pittsburgh), from ports along the Atlantic coast. Even Lewis and Clark began their epic explorations, from Pittsburgh’s three rivers.<br />
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As the map shows, John Phillips mansion and his property extended ; EASTWARD > to the Rehman family property from; ” The Southern Ave." So, at one time, Before there was a “Hornaday road“; John Phillips owned an area that was eventually divided into lots for eighty homes. His home was on the entire flat top area of what We now call; “ Our Hornaday Road ” or at least those of us; with homes and addresses from 95 to 163. This section was a part of the "Phillips Manor lots", laid out in October of 1915, By John M. Phillips. The origional plan included Scout Ave. down to one side of Madaline and Rehman.<br />
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In October of 1926, John M. Phillips ( A nephew ) once again laid out the Phillips Manor revision, of lots 98 to 118 inclusive. In order to provide an alley way ( Revision way ) and rear access to those homes.<br />
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By my guess-timate; Uncle;.. ; '''John Phillips''' had about 18 acres in all. <br />
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Here are my assumptions and facts,> I added, lot 6 of >[ 6 acres and 115 perches]and lot 7[> 6 acres and 42 perches ] = 12 acres + 157 perches,almost 13 acres for those two lots alone ; since 160 perches equals one acre. Without all dimensions for lots 1 > 5 that face Brownsville road between Agnew and Madeline; and two lots showing , 5.73 perches each ,….Assuming,…. those lots are equal and amount to > 28.65 perches > I guessed another 5.58 acres for lots 1 thru 5 ; where his home apparently sat .{160 perches equals one acre / which is 208.71 ft by / 208.71 = 43559.8641 sq. feet)<br />
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Next ; We continued searching for details about Hornaday and other Phillips family members, at the John Heinz history center. We learned that the above mentioned; '''John Phillips''' was vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company ( Formerly known as Lewis and Phillips on the South side, at 12th street on the river .) His Mansion sat on lot 3 ; set back from Brownsville road ( and it was centered,.. where Hornaday Road is now )and his ”Governor’s style” curved driveway, was likely for his horse drawn carriage , curved away from his home to meet the streets; we NOW know as Agnew and Madeline.<br />
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At this time, ( June 2008 ) I have not seen an official date for his home; for now;.. I will assume it may have been built about the time of the Civil war. <br />
These street name changes will be explained later.<br />
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The number 1 Lot, near Philips Mansion is the Zion church property now. This map above; also shows Southern Ave./ also known as Brownsville road , Murray street in now called Madeline, on this map; Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew. (More details of that area later.) <br />
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Hornaday Road, did not exist according to this @ 1905 map , though plans for our homes and lots were done by a J.B.Murray in 1859, John Phillips only owned lots 1 thru 7. It should be easy for Hornaday residents to imagine “Our” road thru the center of his Homestead / Mansion and property Eastward to the bend in Hornaday road and then downhill; beginning at Rehman. (This section lead down hill to August Waldman's farm, where " Hornaday meets Dowling and was called '''Waltman Street''' until '''>>1915 ? <br />
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Until 1916, Dowling was called Stevenson St. Nine lots were laid out by the Carrick boro school directors on November 19th. 1915 . These lots sit on the up hill side of present day Dowling.<br />
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( ??/ I need to check ny notes and dates of zoning changes''')<br />
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Rihman Heirs {note spelling change} >> ? Rehman street from Hornaday to Madaline was laid out with seven lots , on the eastern side of that street. Some name changes so far noticed have been due to ownership changes, But some others like Rehman from the origional Rihman; may be due to pronouncement variations at that time. Possibly these names were "Americanized" to resolve those possibilities.<br />
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Continuing the list of land owners involved with Hornaday Road at that time, We find the Bielau plan of lots beginning with addresses 201 downhill to approximately 229. The Bielau property was on the left / or North side of the down hill section , with Benarding down to Dowling street, note Concord school (number 3? of 5?) property on lot 11.<br />
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Bernarding owned lots adjoining these, additional odd numbered addresses 231 to 251?<br />
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Directly on the opposite / on the southern side were lots that were divided from August Waldman’s farm. In fact; this section of our road was called Waldman until several zoning changes were made in 1913. '''John said that J.B.MURRAY owned this area at one time.'''''Italic text'' His origional plan was to connect Agnew and Hornaday road, with another 364 foot long section of Red rose/road. This would have made all three sections of Red rose;(1202 feet long)in all. But that would have required eliminating John Rudiaks lot and home at 219 Hornaday road, and another home on Agnew.<br />
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Eliza Weber owned all the lots on the eastern side of Redrose. At this time ten homes facing Redrose and perhaps four more facing Hornaday; share her original property. Roughly speaking, fourteen of the 22 addresses listed on this street seam to have been built by the same builder and many at about the same time; 1927.<br />
There are older homes, dated from 1876,1900,1904,1907 and 1910; if county records were always correct.<br />
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As shown on the accompanying plan of lots, William F Seiger owned approximately two acres which was divided into 14 parcels. Ten lots were on the western side of Redrose and four lots were to face Hornaday. Two homes, at 218 and 220 Hornaday were built on lots three and four. My home at 216 was built on lots one and two.<br />
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Prior to 1927, this area, was known as; Carrick borough; Lower Saint Clair and a part of The Baldwin township ; Carrick borough by a earlier dated local vote was officially annexed into the city of Pittsburgh ; in 1927. The Old and narrow borough building , is at 1808 Brownsville road , left of the old fire hall {More about “ it “later} Before 1927, Carrick already had the first sewerage system in Western Pennsylvania; just step out to Hornaday road to see the Carrick Boro logos, that John Rudiak found and photographed, on our manhole covers. <br />
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A close examination of the Carrick post card photo of John Phillips home, ( provided by Carol Anthony ) reveals a platform and a telescope pointed skyward at the center of the roof. John Phillips had a son in 1864, named John. ( No middle initial ) At this point in time not much else; is known about him.<br />
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John MacFarlane Phillips; ( Mentioned above ) is our connection to William T. Hornaday. John M. Phillips was not the son But a nephew of John Phillip’s; the vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company. A better explanation follows in the paragraph below, it is a direct copy from Mike Sajna, in his book “Buck Fever” see pg 69.<br />
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John MacFarlane Phillips was born February 15th. 1861. He was the son of James Phillips, one of the founders of the Oliver Iron and Steel Company, whose own father had come to Western Pennsylvania from Northern Ireland in 1795 to work as a blacksmith. Phillips attended public schools and then studied engineering and was made superintendent of the bolt works and forging plants of the Lewis Oliver and Phillip’s company. Later he became manager of the company’s mining equipment department and in 1899, with his Uncle John, purchased the company’s mine supply division and established the Phillip’s mine and Mill supply company. He was that company’s President one year later (1890)<br />
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{not bad I would say; at age 29 after starting at the south side company in 1880 from John Heinz history center sources} <br />
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At this point of my history search, I do not know exactly when, our man; “ John M ” Phillips and Hornaday met; I do know that He and Hornaday were hunting together in British Columbia in 1901. They were involved in many aspects of Game protection. The mad rush to the WEST, had nearly wiped out all fur bearers, most noteably; Buffalo and Beavers. They held memberships in many noteable organizations at that time. President Theodore Rosevelt was an avid outdoorsman as well, his exploits into British Columbia and his stories from there are likely tied to Hornaday and Phillips hunting choices,.... more on that as I continue my reasearch. <br />
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There are references in various news articles that John M. Had married at that time and took his new bride (Harriet Duff - Phillip’s) to a ranch, where she stayed for a month. Hornaday and Phillips were in Colorado by 1903, by 1906 Phillip’s was an illustrator for another of Hornaday’s many conservation minded books; “ Campfire in the Canadian Rockies ”<br />
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In 1907 they were in Mexico and as they had done before; Hornaday and Phillips donated even more animals from their hunts,for displays in Museums. At the Carnegie museum in Oakland, At least one of Phillips displays remains; in the hall of mammals; it is a glass enclosure of a family of Cheetahs. However, sharing time and common interests generally leads to more of the same. Their common interests; Zoos, conservation, camping and hunting helped bring these men together; there was a seven year age difference between them. Hornaday and Phillips realized that outdoor training and conservation / awareness would be fostered in youth thru Boy Scouting. They were not alone in their thinking. <br />
According to Mike Sajna; John MacFarlane Phillips organized the First Boy Scout troop in Pennsylvania, in 1910; it was the Second such troop in America. Phillip’s provided its members with a place to meet; in his home at 2336 Brownsville road. { At this point in time I am awaiting additional information , and // or confirmation of some of these details from a contact in the Pgh. Boy Scouts} Since February of 2008. This location is now the site of Saint Piax church, small remnants of the original “castellated” stone wall remains between the church and the New Concord School, '''But most likely ,… not for long.'''''Italic text''. In front of the Church the wall had been lowered But it returns to it’s original “castellated” height and location in front of the 1907 home to the right of the church. Phillips home was also used for the celebration of many church services until 1959.<br />
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In its borough days, Carrick also had the first filtered water supply in western Pennsylvania; with 180 pounds per square inch of pressure; coming from the South Pittsburgh water plant, located at Beck’s run. Carrick boro and its business men had already begun paving its streets and sidewalks; with planks of wood three inches thick. John MacFarlane Phillips; for the most part paid for two such sidewalks, they were from Becks Run , along Brownsville road to Mt Oliver. The first was four feet wide and the second was six feet wide. Once annexed into the city, some street names were changed to avoid duplication of existing street names,in use somewhere in Pittsburgh. Murray street became Madeline and the original bend in Murray Ave.{ Look between Mur ray’s R’s on the 1905 map} has since been straightened. Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew and was also a township road in The Baldwin township until 1927. Take a look at The Crailo plan, Southern Avenue land company on the 1905 map, Just north of Our homes. This area was owned by John Agnew, beginning with its narrow lots on the North side of the street that bears his name. One of my early assumptions about this area; have been proved correct, this fifty two acre parcel of land; was given to John Agnew and his wife; by her father. Agnew and Chambers operated a glass works there. I contacted, Susan Buyers; An Agnew relative to ask if Agnew and Chambers had taken over Englert glass; the first glass factory in Pittsburgh. She did '''NOT verify''' that question. But If she had , another early historic puzzle piece would fall into place. Since the name Englertville was the local name prior to 1753 and when Doctor Brown set up the first post office naming it Carrick after his home town of Carrick au Suir, in Tipperary Ireland. <br />
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John Agnew’s new home, likely faced the Southern road, ( Brownsville road ) after looking at a drawing of that house, I Assume;… for the moment ; that it sat where the BP gas station is today. If Agnew also had his South Side glass factory, this older Englert site was razed and resold in small lots; perhaps many of these new residents; were employee’s at his South Side glass works. The Concord church shown on this 1905 map is the “Stone” church where we vote. The original Concord church was a “ Wooden ” church, Both of the “ Concord churches “ will show on another survey map, available at Historic Pittsburgh; dated 1916. See the photo of the wooden church below. It was moved away from Brownsville road, Perhaps by Eichley { as they are World Famous for such things } of Pittsburgh but sat for a time in what is now their parking lot. It was used as a high school. '''Please note that I have included only ;...small portions of the maps available at Historic Pittsburgh.'''''Italic text'' <br />
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The convent of Passionist nuns , in the photo above is located at 2700 Churchview Avenue at Spencer.<br />
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The map to follow displays name and neighbor hood changes since 1905. This map section is from Concord church and north. On this map, also from 1905, you can see that there were four “ island ;.. flower planters” on THE Boulevard. Looking South / down from there you can see the name Phillips ave. and not, East Meyers Avenue.</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=User:Jkrynock&diff=812User:Jkrynock2008-10-08T22:29:33Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
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<div>An Introduction and short History of the Carrick Overbrook Historical Society<br />
<br />
"My", First order of business; "The Hornaday road report."<br />
<br />
John Rudiak and I, { Joe Krynock } were talking at the 2007 Hornaday Road, block party. John mentioned that he was going to the Recorder of Deeds office to research deed information for his home and for his daughter’s home, also in Carrick. Since I wanted to explore my homes past and to determine a build date for my place, John and I planned to go there together. I had researched deeds before But that seamed long ago. As we talked more during the block party, other neighbors mentioned historic info about their homes or rumored information of "OUR" neighborhood. Yet not many knew specific details for sure. Since John had already been living here; when I moved into Carrick. (in 1982) I asked John, if he knew any historic details about Hornaday Road.<br />
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"Not really" he said. <br />
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I told him that A Pittsburgh "Councilman” named Phillips was a friend of William T. Hornaday. In fact; when they were not hunting together, they promoted stuff like Boy Scouting, better zoos and conservation.<br />
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“This Hornaday?, John asked “Who was he?”.<br />
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So, I told him; " William T. Hornaday was a Conservation minded Writer But He was also a taxidermist and the director;.. at the Bronx zoo ."<br />
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"How did you find that?” John asked.<br />
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“Honestly, by accident! Years ago; I bought a bargain priced book; called “Buck fever”, mostly because it written by Mike Sajna, { now deceased } a name I recognised. Mike Sajna's book was printed by the University of Pittsburgh Press. It was about deer hunting and Pennsylvania Game Commission history. I stated that I wanted to expand on,that small bit of information,... Someday!"<br />
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John said," Well,you are retired!"<br />
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I went to bed with that thought in my head. The next morning, (after the "Late night Party") ; I found my copy of “Buck fever” and re-read pages 68 to 78 to refresh my memory. Then I sent this e mail to John on Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:01:16 AM Subject: Hornaday history;<br />
<br />
Hey John, Perhaps we could collaborate on a Hornaday history, A kind of story or report; ( Hopefully / certainly it would be done ),..before the next block party; in 2008 . JOE K<br />
<br />
With these few clues we started “OUR” search on August 20th 2007. John and I started at the Recorder of Deeds office downtown. We researched thru many Deed books to track our property records. We spent most of a day there; without trying to find his dayghters deed info. In the process; John found some information about J.B.Murray's housing plan; and had copies made for our later referance. Murray's housing plan, had been aid out in December of 1859.<br />
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This map <br />
[[Image:Image:1905 j.b.murray plan.jpg]]<br />
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and information was related to '''all of the homes and owners in the area; "IT" raised questions and eyebrows.'''<br />
<br />
A short time later, We went to the local library. We asked if they had any local or Historical information there. They did, the librarian on duty showed us where to begin. Quite quickly we were surprised. Aparently a man named Joe Spiceker??? who lives on Agnew, Had been archiving items for close to twenty years already and had assembled many binders of information. As John and I broused through the files; John found a crumpled piece of paper, with something inside it. It was a metal badge, from a former fireman when Carrick was a borough. John and I both felt that this item was not just rare But of "Historic" importance to the community. John immeadiately showed it to the libraian, asking if there was a "Secure" place where she could store it. As we looked at the collection of photos and news articals, we found that some were missing and / or shuffled somewhat as to page numbers. John commented that if all this stuff was loaded into computor format,... it would be easier to protect and collect. Old photos lay at the bottom of a drawer, perhaps they fell out or they were never identified and mounted. <br />
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'''Computors are not''' what I did for my living and I felt that my plan for a short letter to the neighbors;... had suddenly got me into much deeper waters than I had intended; We waded in anyway. John suggested that instead of saving our own copies, ( probobly reams of paper and info ) at our homes,…that we load it all ; into a website for anyone ( Not Just Hornaday residents ) to explore in their own time and leisure. So,... it was John who took me into this new and uncharted territory, with the website idea.<br />
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Often and Independently; we looked for maps and stuff on internet sites. I found the Historic Pittsburgh Project online. Among their sources and maps; was this survey map dated 1905 and I showed it to John. It showed that a John Phillips had owned a piano shaped piece of land for “ his mansion ” when it faced the Southern Ave. ( also known as Brownsville road ; the Southern Road ” or “ The plank road, and /or the toll road”} With 3 toll booths between Arlington ave. and Present day Concord school. <br />
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From Pittsburgh to Brownsville Pennsylvania is approximately 42 miles. In those early years; Brownsville was on the first “ National Road ”; known as route 40 today. It follows British General Braddock’s campaign trail into our area. It served as the first road to the west, (thru Pittsburgh), from ports along the Atlantic coast. Even Lewis and Clark began their epic explorations, from Pittsburgh’s three rivers.<br />
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As the map shows, John Phillips mansion and his property extended ; EASTWARD > to the Rehman family property from; ” The Southern Ave." So, at one time, Before there was a “Hornaday road“; John Phillips owned an area that was eventually divided into lots for eighty homes. His home was on the entire flat top area of what We now call; “ Our Hornaday Road ” or at least those of us; with homes and addresses from 95 to 163. This section was a part of the "Phillips Manor lots", laid out in October of 1915, By John M. Phillips. The origional plan included Scout Ave. down to one side of Madaline and Rehman.<br />
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In October of 1926, John M. Phillips ( A nephew ) once again laid out the Phillips Manor revision, of lots 98 to 118 inclusive. In order to provide an alley way ( Revision way ) and rear access to those homes.<br />
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By my guess-timate; Uncle;.. ; '''John Phillips''' had about 18 acres in all. <br />
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Here are my assumptions and facts,> I added, lot 6 of >[ 6 acres and 115 perches]and lot 7[> 6 acres and 42 perches ] = 12 acres + 157 perches,almost 13 acres for those two lots alone ; since 160 perches equals one acre. Without all dimensions for lots 1 > 5 that face Brownsville road between Agnew and Madeline; and two lots showing , 5.73 perches each ,….Assuming,…. those lots are equal and amount to > 28.65 perches > I guessed another 5.58 acres for lots 1 thru 5 ; where his home apparently sat .{160 perches equals one acre / which is 208.71 ft by / 208.71 = 43559.8641 sq. feet)<br />
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Next ; We continued searching for details about Hornaday and other Phillips family members, at the John Heinz history center. We learned that the above mentioned; '''John Phillips''' was vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company ( Formerly known as Lewis and Phillips on the South side, at 12th street on the river .) His Mansion sat on lot 3 ; set back from Brownsville road ( and it was centered,.. where Hornaday Road is now )and his ”Governor’s style” curved driveway, was likely for his horse drawn carriage , curved away from his home to meet the streets; we NOW know as Agnew and Madeline.<br />
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At this time, ( June 2008 ) I have not seen an official date for his home; for now;.. I will assume it may have been built about the time of the Civil war. <br />
These street name changes will be explained later.<br />
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The number 1 Lot, near Philips Mansion is the Zion church property now. This map above; also shows Southern Ave./ also known as Brownsville road , Murray street in now called Madeline, on this map; Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew. (More details of that area later.) <br />
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Hornaday Road, did not exist according to this @ 1905 map , though plans for our homes and lots were done by a J.B.Murray in 1859, John Phillips only owned lots 1 thru 7. It should be easy for Hornaday residents to imagine “Our” road thru the center of his Homestead / Mansion and property Eastward to the bend in Hornaday road and then downhill; beginning at Rehman. (This section lead down hill to August Waldman's farm, where " Hornaday meets Dowling and was called '''Waltman Street''' until '''>>1915 ? <br />
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Until 1916, Dowling was called Stevenson St. Nine lots were laid out by the Carrick boro school directors on November 19th. 1915 . These lots sit on the up hill side of present day Dowling.<br />
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( ??/ I need to check ny notes and dates of zoning changes''')<br />
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Rihman Heirs {note spelling change} >> ? Rehman street from Hornaday to Madaline was laid out with seven lots , on the eastern side of that street. Some name changes so far noticed have been due to ownership changes, But some others like Rehman from the origional Rihman; may be due to pronouncement variations at that time. Possibly these names were "Americanized" to resolve those possibilities.<br />
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Continuing the list of land owners involved with Hornaday Road at that time, We find the Bielau plan of lots beginning with addresses 201 downhill to approximately 229. The Bielau property was on the left / or North side of the down hill section , with Benarding down to Dowling street, note Concord school (number 3? of 5?) property on lot 11.<br />
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Bernarding owned lots adjoining these, additional odd numbered addresses 231 to 251?<br />
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Directly on the opposite / on the southern side were lots that were divided from August Waldman’s farm. In fact; this section of our road was called Waldman until several zoning changes were made in 1913. '''John said that J.B.MURRAY owned this area at one time.'''''Italic text'' His origional plan was to connect Agnew and Hornaday road, with another 364 foot long section of Red rose/road. This would have made all three sections of Red rose;(1202 feet long)in all. But that would have required eliminating John Rudiaks lot and home at 219 Hornaday road, and another home on Agnew.<br />
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Eliza Weber owned all the lots on the eastern side of Redrose. At this time ten homes facing Redrose and perhaps four more facing Hornaday; share her original property. Roughly speaking, fourteen of the 22 addresses listed on this street seam to have been built by the same builder and many at about the same time; 1927.<br />
There are older homes, dated from 1876,1900,1904,1907 and 1910; if county records were always correct.<br />
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As shown on the accompanying plan of lots, William F Seiger owned approximately two acres which was divided into 14 parcels. Ten lots were on the western side of Redrose and four lots were to face Hornaday. Two homes, at 218 and 220 Hornaday were built on lots three and four. My home at 216 was built on lots one and two.<br />
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Prior to 1927, this area, was known as; Carrick borough; Lower Saint Clair and a part of The Baldwin township ; Carrick borough by a earlier dated local vote was officially annexed into the city of Pittsburgh ; in 1927. The Old and narrow borough building , is at 1808 Brownsville road , left of the old fire hall {More about “ it “later} Before 1927, Carrick already had the first sewerage system in Western Pennsylvania; just step out to Hornaday road to see the Carrick Boro logos, that John Rudiak found and photographed, on our manhole covers. <br />
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A close examination of the Carrick post card photo of John Phillips home, ( provided by Carol Anthony ) reveals a platform and a telescope pointed skyward at the center of the roof. John Phillips had a son in 1864, named John. ( No middle initial ) At this point in time not much else; is known about him.<br />
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John MacFarlane Phillips; ( Mentioned above ) is our connection to William T. Hornaday. John M. Phillips was not the son But a nephew of John Phillip’s; the vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company. A better explanation follows in the paragraph below, it is a direct copy from Mike Sajna, in his book “Buck Fever” see pg 69.<br />
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John MacFarlane Phillips was born February 15th. 1861. He was the son of James Phillips, one of the founders of the Oliver Iron and Steel Company, whose own father had come to Western Pennsylvania from Northern Ireland in 1795 to work as a blacksmith. Phillips attended public schools and then studied engineering and was made superintendent of the bolt works and forging plants of the Lewis Oliver and Phillip’s company. Later he became manager of the company’s mining equipment department and in 1899, with his Uncle John, purchased the company’s mine supply division and established the Phillip’s mine and Mill supply company. He was that company’s President one year later (1890)<br />
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{not bad I would say; at age 29 after starting at the south side company in 1880 from John Heinz history center sources} <br />
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At this point of my history search, I do not know exactly when, our man; “ John M ” Phillips and Hornaday met; I do know that He and Hornaday were hunting together in British Columbia in 1901. They were involved in many aspects of Game protection. The mad rush to the WEST, had nearly wiped out all fur bearers, most noteably; Buffalo and Beavers. They held memberships in many noteable organizations at that time. President Theodore Rosevelt was an avid outdoorsman as well, his exploits into Brit; ish Columbia, and his stories from there are likely tied to Hornaday and Phillips hunting choices,.... more on that as I continue my reaserch. <br />
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There are references in various news articles that John M. Had married at that time and took his new bride (Harriet Duff - Phillip’s) to a ranch, where she stayed for a month. Hornaday and Phillips were in Colorado by 1903, by 1906 Phillip’s was an illustrator for another of Hornaday’s many conservation minded books; “ Campfire in the Canadian Rockies ”<br />
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In 1907 they were in Mexico and as they had done before; Hornaday and Phillips donated even more animals from their hunts,for displays in Museums. At the Carnegie museum in Oakland, At least one of Phillips displays remains; in the hall of mammals; it is a glass enclosure of a family of Cheetahs. However, sharing time and common interests generally leads to more of the same. Their common interests; Zoos, conservation, camping and hunting helped bring these men together; there was a seven year age difference between them. Hornaday and Phillips realized that outdoor training and conservation / awareness would be fostered in youth thru Boy Scouting. They were not alone in their thinking. <br />
According to Mike Sajna; John MacFarlane Phillips organized the First Boy Scout troop in Pennsylvania, in 1910; it was the Second such troop in America. Phillip’s provided its members with a place to meet; in his home at 2336 Brownsville road. { At this point in time I am awaiting additional information , and // or confirmation of some of these details from a contact in the Pgh. Boy Scouts} Since February of 2008. This location is now the site of Saint Piax church, small remnants of the original “castellated” stone wall remains between the church and the New Concord School, '''But most likely ,… not for long.'''''Italic text''. In front of the Church the wall had been lowered But it returns to it’s original “castellated” height and location in front of the 1907 home to the right of the church. Phillips home was also used for the celebration of many church services until 1959.<br />
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In its borough days, Carrick also had the first filtered water supply in western Pennsylvania; with 180 pounds per square inch of pressure; coming from the South Pittsburgh water plant, located at Beck’s run. Carrick boro and its business men had already begun paving its streets and sidewalks; with planks of wood three inches thick. John MacFarlane Phillips; for the most part paid for two such sidewalks, they were from Becks Run , along Brownsville road to Mt Oliver. The first was four feet wide and the second was six feet wide. Once annexed into the city, some street names were changed to avoid duplication of existing street names,in use somewhere in Pittsburgh. Murray street became Madeline and the original bend in Murray Ave.{ Look between Mur ray’s R’s on the 1905 map} has since been straightened. Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew and was also a township road in The Baldwin township until 1927. Take a look at The Crailo plan, Southern Avenue land company on the 1905 map, Just north of Our homes. This area was owned by John Agnew, beginning with its narrow lots on the North side of the street that bears his name. One of my early assumptions about this area; have been proved correct, this fifty two acre parcel of land; was given to John Agnew and his wife; by her father. Agnew and Chambers operated a glass works there. I contacted, Susan Buyers; An Agnew relative to ask if Agnew and Chambers had taken over Englert glass; the first glass factory in Pittsburgh. She did '''NOT verify''' that question. But If she had , another early historic puzzle piece would fall into place. Since the name Englertville was the local name prior to 1753 and when Doctor Brown set up the first post office naming it Carrick after his home town of Carrick au Suir, in Tipperary Ireland. <br />
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John Agnew’s new home, likely faced the Southern road, ( Brownsville road ) after looking at a drawing of that house, I Assume;… for the moment ; that it sat where the BP gas station is today. If Agnew also had his South Side glass factory, this older Englert site was razed and resold in small lots; perhaps many of these new residents; were employee’s at his South Side glass works. The Concord church shown on this 1905 map is the “Stone” church where we vote. The original Concord church was a “ Wooden ” church, Both of the “ Concord churches “ will show on another survey map, available at Historic Pittsburgh; dated 1916. See the photo of the wooden church below. It was moved away from Brownsville road, Perhaps by Eichley { as they are World Famous for such things } of Pittsburgh but sat for a time in what is now their parking lot. It was used as a high school. '''Please note that I have included only ;...small portions of the maps available at Historic Pittsburgh.'''''Italic text'' <br />
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The convent of Passionist nuns , in the photo above is located at 2700 Churchview Avenue at Spencer.<br />
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The map to follow displays name and neighbor hood changes since 1905. This map section is from Concord church and north. On this map, also from 1905, you can see that there were four “ island ;.. flower planters” on THE Boulevard. Looking South / down from there you can see the name Phillips ave. and not, East Meyers Avenue.</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=Carrick-Overbrook_Historical_Society:Site_support&diff=454Carrick-Overbrook Historical Society:Site support2008-07-25T14:20:42Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
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<div>South Side iron, steel and glass and it’s connections to Carrick and Overbrook <br />
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I have included excerpts from other other sites and sources, that are closely related to Carrick and Overbrook communities development. At this point in time I wish to give credit to the sources that I have copied, rather than “ link “ Our history site with theirs. I expect this process will change , and I ask them ; and you to bear with me as I learn and improve in this system.<br />
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Many of the busnesses on the Pittsburgh's South Side were owned and operated by people who lived in Carrick. As the numbers of iron , steel, bolt and glass bottle and glass plate companies increased from 1763 ; so did the need for employees and homes for them. Carrick itself had the Englert glass factory, and our area was called Englertville until 1853 when a post office was placed here,and the name Carrick was applied to it. John Agnew , owned a 52 acre parcel of land that was a glass factory he shared with the Chambers brothers. The following highlighted notations are from a much larger list of glass companies. The letters to follow were identifying marks on bottles when they were made by bottle makers of that time. These bottle marks help collectors of today identify antique bottles. Anouther site of much interest was done by a Susan Buyers, a relitive of the Agnew family. <br />
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'''A & CO, A. & D. H. C,''' Agnew & CO, Agnew & Son A & CO. Agnew & Company, Pittsburgh, PA (c.1854-1894+). There was a series of glass companies in the Pittsburgh area in which the Agnew family was involved, beginning as early as 1842 with Chambers & Agnew. Later, approximately 1854, the firm became John Agnew & Company (1854-1870); then, John Agnew & Son (1871-1876) and later simply Agnew & Company (1876-1892+). The most recent incarnation seems to have been "The Agnew Company", which was in operation in 1894 (a bottle catalog from this company exists, dated 1894) which may have continued on for some time afterwards. Jars that are marked "JOHN AGNEW & SON / PITTSBURG PA" presumably date from about 1871 to 1876, and those marked "AGNEW & CO / PITTSBURG PA" would date from c. 1876 into the early 1890s. See "A" entry. <br />
A. & D. H. C. .........Alexander & David H. Chambers, Pittsburgh, PA (1843-c.1889). This was one of the most prolific glass companies in Pittsburgh during the mid-to-late 1800s. Huge quantities of bottles, flasks, and fruit jars were made, as well as window glass. Many local, regional, and nationally distributed sodas, mineral waters, beers, bitters, tonics, and other types of products were packaged in bottles made by A&DHC. Most commonly, bottles with this mark usually seem to date from the 1870s and 1880s, but the mark was probably in use at least from around the start of the Civil War, perhaps a bit earlier. <br />
Agnew & CO............See "A & CO.<br />
Agnew & Son...........See "A & CO." <br />
A.G.W.................in some cases, American Glass Works, Pittsburgh, PA (1866-1905). This company, which was officially known as "American Glass Works, Limited" after 1880, MAY have produced some glass marked "A.G.W." during the time period of 1866-1880, although I am not aware of any definitive proof that they did. American Glass Works reportedly manufactured mostly window glass prior to 1880. After 1880, the mark was most frequently "A.G.W.L.", although various bottles that date after 1880 (such as certain hutchinson sodas) do carry "A.G.W."(no L) so I tend to believe that both mark variants were used, at times, during the 1880-1905 period. (See next two entries). <br />
With much more to follow, I move on.<br />
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Steel and tool manufacturing has done similar markings on their products. I recall a lengthy conversation with a fellow Carpenter, Thomas Connally of Library Pa. (Since deceased) Tom was a man who collected our trades tools. He stated that there were hand saw manufacturers, some on Pittsburgh’s South Side that made hand saws for the reputable Diston saw / tool company. <br />
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However; according to him, Philadelphia got credit for hand saws that were made on the south side of Pittsburgh. The stamping pressmark from Phillie, had simply been copied and used here. But enterprizing Pittsburgh employee’s; developed their own marking system; with a mark of some kind, known at first; only to them.<br />
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When time allows, I plan to search and list the names of glass and steel company names on vintage South Side maps. On maps from the Pittsburgh project web site, Joseph Keeling owned coal mines and inclines. His mining endevors were quite extensive, old mining maps show that besides south sides slopes, Mount Oliver, Carrick and Bon Air were mined out; to at least Becks run, by him.<br />
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From Wikipedia ,<br />
History of Pittsburgh's South Side<br />
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Contents<br />
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• 1 History <br />
• 2 Iron and Steel Mills <br />
• 3 Bridges <br />
• 4 Inclines <br />
• 5 South Side Today <br />
• 6 References <br />
• 7 Bibliography <br />
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[edit] History<br />
In 1763, King George III gave John Ormsby about 2,400 acres along the south bank of the Monongahela River as payment for his services during the French and Indian War. This land is known today as South Side. The land was then divided into four boroughs: South Pittsburgh, Birmingham, East Birmingham, and Ormsby. These boroughs were annexed into the City of Pittsburgh in 1872.1 In the early to mid 1800s, South Side was known as the center of the glass industry in America. In 1876, there were about 76 glass factories in the neighborhood. Presidents Andrew Jackson and James Monroe ordered glass tableware for the White House from the South Side companies. These factories produced all types of glass, such as goblets, window glass, bottles, tableware, etc.2 General James O’Hara and Major Isaac Craig, the pioneers of the glass industry in Pittsburgh, opened the first glass factory in the county. This factory was located on the South Side near the present day Duquesne Incline parking lot. By the 1920s, most of the glass factories had moved away due to high taxes and lack of room to expand.<br />
[edit] Iron and Steel Mills<br />
Iron and Steel mills in South Side were the workplaces of the World. In 1854, Benjamin Franklin Jones and James Laughlin became business partners and formed the American Iron Workers. Jones and Laughlin created the first ever blast furnace and named it Eliza, which was located on the north side of the Monongahela River. This furnace was connected to South Side by the Hot Metal Bridge. By 1916, J & L had six blast furnaces and nine 200-250 ton open furnaces. By 1929, J & L was producing 1.74 million tons of steel each year. However, the steel factories started to experience economic trouble in the 1960s. Due to these economic problems, there was a rapid decline of J & L factories and they began to demolish the older buildings. Then by 1989, the steel industry was gone. Today, many stores and restaurants have developed in South Side where the steel mills once stood.3<br />
[edit] Bridges<br />
Before bridges were constructed, the only way to cross the river was by ferry. Pittsburgh, which is known as the “City of Bridges”, has many bridges that cross the Monongahela River into South Side. The Monongahela Bridge (formerly known as the Smithfield Street Bridge) was designed in 1818 and built of wood and iron. During the great Pittsburgh fire of 1845, the bridge burned in less than 10 minutes. The bridge was then rebuilt in 1846. The Liberty Bridge was built in 1928 and was designed by George S. Richardson. This bridge connects downtown Pittsburgh to the Liberty Tunnels and then to the South Hills. Some of the other bridges of South Side are: The Wabash Bridge, The Panhandle Bridge, The Tenth Street Bridge, The Birmingham Street Bridge, and The Hot Metal Bridge.4<br />
[edit] Inclines<br />
Before cars or other ways of transportation were invented, the horse-drawn trolleys were the only means of transportation in South Side. After the horse-drawn trolleys, then came the cable traction cars, and then finally the electric trolley. Horse cars operated in South Side until 1923. In 1915, the horse-drawn trolleys and the electric trolley met at the corner of Eighteenth and Sarah Streets. The electric cars turned into what were called street cars. They were the most common means of travel around Pittsburgh and South Side, until the first incline was opened. In 1877, The Duquesne Incline opened and ran from West Carson Street to Mount Washington. In 1870, the Monongahela Incline was built and it connected West Carson Street with Grandview Avenue. The Duquesne and Monongahela inclines are still in operation today. Some inclines that are not in operation today are: The Castle Shannon Incline No.1, The Knoxville Incline, The Mount Oliver Incline, and The St. Clair Incline.5<br />
[edit] South Side Today<br />
Southside today is a neighborhood of approximately 10,000 people. It is home to one of the largest Victorian streets in the United States. East Carson Street in its entirety is designated as a historic district. The Southside Flats and Slopes are where most of the residents reside. In recent years, Southside has become home to a large student population because of its proximity to the Monongahela River and three large universities.6<br />
[edit] References<br />
1 History of Pittsburgh’s South Side, 2005.<br />
2 South Side Facts<br />
3 Stuart P. Boehmig, Pittsburgh’s South Side (Charleston: Arcadia Publishing, 2006), 15-24.<br />
4 Boehmig, 85-94.<br />
5 Boehmig, 41-52.<br />
6 South Side (Pittsburgh), 2006.<br />
[edit] Bibliography<br />
• Boehmig, Stuart P. Pittsburgh’s South Side. Charleston: Arcadia Publishing, 2006. <br />
• History of Pittsburgh’s South Side. 2005. http://www.southsidepgh.com/live_and_work/ history.php (accessed October 30, 2006). <br />
• South Side Facts. http://www.phlf.org/spotlightonmainstreet/resources/ss_ facts_industry.pdf (accessed October 30, 2006). <br />
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http://www.southsidepgh.com/images/PDF/ss_watch_out.pdf <<<<<<< from South side history<br />
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http://www.southsidepgh.com/images/PDF/ss_hospitals.pdf<br />
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There are approximately 40 glass bottle companies, listed below; as Pittsburgh glass companies, other companies may have produced plate glass. According to s.side area info there were 76 glass companies in the s.side in 1876. I have yet to examine and count them from the maps at Pittsburgh project >>>><br />
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1872 maps show no J&L mill site, although historically it was first established in 1854 , see the Pittsburgh project maps of S.Side 1872 and earlier History.</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=Carrick-Overbrook_Historical_Society:Site_support&diff=453Carrick-Overbrook Historical Society:Site support2008-07-25T14:13:16Z<p>Jkrynock: New page: South Side iron, steel and glass and it’s connections to Carrick and Overbrook I have included excerpts from other other sites and sources, that are closely related to Carrick and Over...</p>
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<div>South Side iron, steel and glass and it’s connections to Carrick and Overbrook <br />
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I have included excerpts from other other sites and sources, that are closely related to Carrick and Overbrook communities development. At this point in time I wish to give credit to the sources that I have copied, rather than “ link “ Our history site with theirs. I expect this process will change , and I ask them ; and you to bear with me as I learn and improve in this system.<br />
<br />
Many of the busnesses on the Pittsburgh's South Side were owned and operated by people who lived in Carrick. As the numbers of iron , steel, bolt and glass bottle and glass plate companies increased from 1763 ; so did the need for employees and homes for them. Carrick itself had the Englert glass factory, and our area was called Englertville until 1853 when a post office was placed here,and the name Carrick was applied to it. John Agnew , owned a 52 acre parcel of land that was a glass factory he shared with the Chambers brothers. The following highlighted notations are from a much larger list of glass companies. The letters to follow were identifying marks on bottles when they were made by bottle makers of that time. These bottle marks help collectors of today identify antique bottles. Anouther site of much interest was done by a Susan Buyers, a relitive of the Agnew family. <br />
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'''A & CO, A. & D. H. C,''' Agnew & CO, Agnew & Son A & CO. Agnew & Company, Pittsburgh, PA (c.1854-1894+). There was a series of glass companies in the Pittsburgh area in which the Agnew family was involved, beginning as early as 1842 with Chambers & Agnew. Later, approximately 1854, the firm became John Agnew & Company (1854-1870); then, John Agnew & Son (1871-1876) and later simply Agnew & Company (1876-1892+). The most recent incarnation seems to have been "The Agnew Company", which was in operation in 1894 (a bottle catalog from this company exists, dated 1894) which may have continued on for some time afterwards. Jars that are marked "JOHN AGNEW & SON / PITTSBURG PA" presumably date from about 1871 to 1876, and those marked "AGNEW & CO / PITTSBURG PA" would date from c. 1876 into the early 1890s. See "A" entry. <br />
A. & D. H. C. .........Alexander & David H. Chambers, Pittsburgh, PA (1843-c.1889). This was one of the most prolific glass companies in Pittsburgh during the mid-to-late 1800s. Huge quantities of bottles, flasks, and fruit jars were made, as well as window glass. Many local, regional, and nationally distributed sodas, mineral waters, beers, bitters, tonics, and other types of products were packaged in bottles made by A&DHC. Most commonly, bottles with this mark usually seem to date from the 1870s and 1880s, but the mark was probably in use at least from around the start of the Civil War, perhaps a bit earlier. <br />
Agnew & CO............See "A & CO.<br />
Agnew & Son...........See "A & CO." <br />
A.G.W.................in some cases, American Glass Works, Pittsburgh, PA (1866-1905). This company, which was officially known as "American Glass Works, Limited" after 1880, MAY have produced some glass marked "A.G.W." during the time period of 1866-1880, although I am not aware of any definitive proof that they did. American Glass Works reportedly manufactured mostly window glass prior to 1880. After 1880, the mark was most frequently "A.G.W.L.", although various bottles that date after 1880 (such as certain hutchinson sodas) do carry "A.G.W."(no L) so I tend to believe that both mark variants were used, at times, during the 1880-1905 period. (See next two entries). <br />
With much more to follow, I move on .<br />
Steel and tool manufacturing has done similar markings on their products. I recall a lengthy conversation with a fellow Carpenter, Thomas Connally of Library Pa. (Since deceased) Tom was a man who collected our trades tools. He stated that there were hand saw manufacturers, some on Pittsburgh’s South Side that made hand saws for the reputable Diston saw / tool company. <br />
<br />
However; according to him, Philadelphia got credit for hand saws that were made on the south side of Pittsburgh. The stamping pressmark from Phillie, had simply been copied and used here. But enterprizing Pittsburgh employee’s; developed their own marking system; with a mark of some kind, known at first; only to them.<br />
<br />
When time allows, I plan to search and list the names of glass and steel company names on vintage South Side maps. On maps from the Pittsburgh project web site, Joseph Keeling owned coal mines and inclines. His mining endevors were quite extensive, old mining maps show that besides south sides slopes, Mount Oliver, Carrick and Bon Air were mined out; to at least Becks run, by him.<br />
<br />
<br />
From Wikipedia ,<br />
History of Pittsburgh's South Side<br />
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia<br />
Jump to: navigation, search<br />
Contents<br />
[hide]<br />
• 1 History <br />
• 2 Iron and Steel Mills <br />
• 3 Bridges <br />
• 4 Inclines <br />
• 5 South Side Today <br />
• 6 References <br />
• 7 Bibliography <br />
<br />
[edit] History<br />
In 1763, King George III gave John Ormsby about 2,400 acres along the south bank of the Monongahela River as payment for his services during the French and Indian War. This land is known today as South Side. The land was then divided into four boroughs: South Pittsburgh, Birmingham, East Birmingham, and Ormsby. These boroughs were annexed into the City of Pittsburgh in 1872.1 In the early to mid 1800s, South Side was known as the center of the glass industry in America. In 1876, there were about 76 glass factories in the neighborhood. Presidents Andrew Jackson and James Monroe ordered glass tableware for the White House from the South Side companies. These factories produced all types of glass, such as goblets, window glass, bottles, tableware, etc.2 General James O’Hara and Major Isaac Craig, the pioneers of the glass industry in Pittsburgh, opened the first glass factory in the county. This factory was located on the South Side near the present day Duquesne Incline parking lot. By the 1920s, most of the glass factories had moved away due to high taxes and lack of room to expand.<br />
[edit] Iron and Steel Mills<br />
Iron and Steel mills in South Side were the workplaces of the World. In 1854, Benjamin Franklin Jones and James Laughlin became business partners and formed the American Iron Workers. Jones and Laughlin created the first ever blast furnace and named it Eliza, which was located on the north side of the Monongahela River. This furnace was connected to South Side by the Hot Metal Bridge. By 1916, J & L had six blast furnaces and nine 200-250 ton open furnaces. By 1929, J & L was producing 1.74 million tons of steel each year. However, the steel factories started to experience economic trouble in the 1960s. Due to these economic problems, there was a rapid decline of J & L factories and they began to demolish the older buildings. Then by 1989, the steel industry was gone. Today, many stores and restaurants have developed in South Side where the steel mills once stood.3<br />
[edit] Bridges<br />
Before bridges were constructed, the only way to cross the river was by ferry. Pittsburgh, which is known as the “City of Bridges”, has many bridges that cross the Monongahela River into South Side. The Monongahela Bridge (formerly known as the Smithfield Street Bridge) was designed in 1818 and built of wood and iron. During the great Pittsburgh fire of 1845, the bridge burned in less than 10 minutes. The bridge was then rebuilt in 1846. The Liberty Bridge was built in 1928 and was designed by George S. Richardson. This bridge connects downtown Pittsburgh to the Liberty Tunnels and then to the South Hills. Some of the other bridges of South Side are: The Wabash Bridge, The Panhandle Bridge, The Tenth Street Bridge, The Birmingham Street Bridge, and The Hot Metal Bridge.4<br />
[edit] Inclines<br />
Before cars or other ways of transportation were invented, the horse-drawn trolleys were the only means of transportation in South Side. After the horse-drawn trolleys, then came the cable traction cars, and then finally the electric trolley. Horse cars operated in South Side until 1923. In 1915, the horse-drawn trolleys and the electric trolley met at the corner of Eighteenth and Sarah Streets. The electric cars turned into what were called street cars. They were the most common means of travel around Pittsburgh and South Side, until the first incline was opened. In 1877, The Duquesne Incline opened and ran from West Carson Street to Mount Washington. In 1870, the Monongahela Incline was built and it connected West Carson Street with Grandview Avenue. The Duquesne and Monongahela inclines are still in operation today. Some inclines that are not in operation today are: The Castle Shannon Incline No.1, The Knoxville Incline, The Mount Oliver Incline, and The St. Clair Incline.5<br />
[edit] South Side Today<br />
Southside today is a neighborhood of approximately 10,000 people. It is home to one of the largest Victorian streets in the United States. East Carson Street in its entirety is designated as a historic district. The Southside Flats and Slopes are where most of the residents reside. In recent years, Southside has become home to a large student population because of its proximity to the Monongahela River and three large universities.6<br />
[edit] References<br />
1 History of Pittsburgh’s South Side, 2005.<br />
2 South Side Facts<br />
3 Stuart P. Boehmig, Pittsburgh’s South Side (Charleston: Arcadia Publishing, 2006), 15-24.<br />
4 Boehmig, 85-94.<br />
5 Boehmig, 41-52.<br />
6 South Side (Pittsburgh), 2006.<br />
[edit] Bibliography<br />
• Boehmig, Stuart P. Pittsburgh’s South Side. Charleston: Arcadia Publishing, 2006. <br />
• History of Pittsburgh’s South Side. 2005. http://www.southsidepgh.com/live_and_work/ history.php (accessed October 30, 2006). <br />
• South Side Facts. http://www.phlf.org/spotlightonmainstreet/resources/ss_ facts_industry.pdf (accessed October 30, 2006). <br />
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There are approximately 40 glass bottle companies, listed below; as Pittsburgh glass companies, other companies may have produced plate glass. According to s.side area info there were 76 glass companies in the s.side in 1876. I have yet to examine and count them from the maps at Pittsburgh project >>>><br />
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Pittsburgh glass information from<br />
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Glass Factory Marks on Bottles<br />
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Welcome! I'm interested in the history of the glass industry in the US, especially concerning the manufacturing of bottles and electrical insulators. (See my "home" page here ). On these pages I've attempted to compile a list of glass manufacturers' identification marks found on (primarily) American bottles and jars. (Click here to check another collector's site that lists some Australian and English marks). I'm also including certain marks seen on non-bottle glassware items, including tableware. The majority of these marks are found on older bottles but some commonly seen marks that are presently in use in the United States are included as well. <br />
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{For a comprehensive list of modern bottle manufacturers' marks from around the world, you might also wish to check out the following link showing many of the more recent marks (called "punt marks" on their website) which are sometimes seen on bottles imported to the United States. Click here: Emhart Glass Database of Modern Punt Marks . <br />
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Another webpage which I would recommend, especially to collectors of tableware and art glass, illustrates a number of glassmakers' marks frequently seen on carnival glassware (and some of those marks appear on other types of glass as well), and the site is here: Carnival Glass Marks . And..... another one, this site specializing on information concerning shotglasses: Marks seen on shotglasses . Most, if not all, of the marks illustrated there are frequently seen on other types of glassware as well, which makes the page quite helpful to a broader spectrum of collecting fields.} <br />
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Usually embossed on the base, marks may also appear on the lower heel area on certain types of bottles, especially sodas. On earlier flasks, fruit jars, and soda bottles, the full factory name or initials may be embossed across the front. <br />
This list primarily includes marks that represent the actual glass company that made the bottle. Many marks are encountered that indicate the company whose product was contained within it, or are trademarks ("brand names") that give no indication of who actually made the glass, and those are, with various exceptions, not included in my list. From the standpoint of most collectors of antique bottles, the name and location of the company the bottle was made for, and the name of the product that was originally contained in the bottle (one or both of which may be embossed on the bottle) is often considered to be of more interest or importance than the glass factory where the bottle was actually manufactured. However, this site is geared with more emphasis on the actual glassmakers themselves. Hopefully this database will be of some help to those who are attempting to assign an approximate date range to a particular bottle, assuming that it carries an identifiable glass factory mark. If initial(s) embossed on the base of a bottle match a firm name (other than a glass factory) on the front, the basemark will more than likely not be a glass manufacturer's mark and so may not be listed here. This is very frequently the case, especially with soda, mineral water, beer and other bottles of the 1880-1930 period, in which the initial(s) of the "end user" (such as the bottler, brewery, drug manufacturer, or other firm for which the bottle was made) appear embossed on the base. <br />
Please keep in mind that some marks (esp. initials of early glass companies) may vary slightly in appearance and punctuation from one bottle to another. For instance, they sometimes occur with or without periods after each letter. These variations in punctuation were common and probably reflected the whim of the mold engraver, thus having little or no importance (i.e. for assigning date ranges) especially on marks of pre-1900 bottles. For the most part, I have not attempted to list fine distinctions for marks that are found both with and without periods. Another source of confusion was the common practice of engraving the "G" (especially in the 1880-1920 period) to appear very close in similarity to a "C", the only difference between the two being a small "tail" pointing in a downward or "southeasterly" direction on the lower right-hand side of the letter G. Thus, the mark "A.B.G.M.Co." might be misconstrued to read "A.B.C.M.Co." Also, the abbreviation "Co" (Company) sometimes may be found embossed with either an upper- or lower-case "O" on various bottles made by the same manufacturer. <br />
Many bottles carry only a number (or numbers) on the base. These marks usually served as some type of mold identification, indicating a particular mold used by a glass factory. If a number of identical molds were produced for making a certain type of bottle, they would often be serially numbered (such as 1 to 12). Some numbers served as date codes, or as some other type of internal code used by the factory. In the majority of cases, bottles with only numbers on the base are difficult to attribute to a specific glassmaker, although sometimes other characteristics of a bottle will give clues to it's origin. <br />
For a very informative, comprehensive site with lots of detailed discussion on various aspects of antique bottles, their methods of manufacture, uses, and clues to dating them, I encourage you to check out Bill Lindsey's Historic Glass Bottle Identification and Information Website . His site is a "work in progress", and already has a wealth of very good information posted. <br />
I will frequently be adding more data to these pages as I uncover more accurate information. The info presented on this site is the most accurate I've been able to find at present, but any corrections, additions, comments, or clarifications would be sincerely appreciated! If you have a bottle, jar or other glass item with an unlisted or unknown mark, please contact me (scroll to bottom of the page) so I can add it to the list, and perhaps find out what company it stands for. NOTE: It may be helpful to press the CTRL+F keys (Find) on your keyboard to search quickly for a specific glass factory name, city name, or initials contained in the text below. <br />
Much of the information herein comes from research by Julian H. Toulouse published in his classic reference book Bottle Makers and their Marks (1971). That book is the best reference work ever published on glass manufacturers' marks on bottles, but it does contain many errors which have been discovered over the 35 years since it was first published. Other sources of information include Helen McKearin, Rhea Mansfield Knittle, Stephen Van Rennselaer, Alice Creswick, Dick Roller, William S. Walbridge, Roger Peters, Adeline Pepper, Arthur G. Peterson, Bob Stahr, Fred Padgett, Rex L. Wilson, John O'Dell, Bill Lockhart, Jeffrey L. Giarde, David Bethman, Betty Zumwalt, Peter R. Guetig, Conrad Selle, Don Dzuro, Johnnie W. Fletcher, Ted Oppelt, Dick Cole, Harvey Teal, Dean Six, Tom Neff, Albert Morin, Philip K. Huggins, Bill Lindsey and Carol Serr, as well as personal research and my own observations over several years of collecting & studying antique bottles, insulators and other glassware. I hope this list will be of assistance to those interested in antique bottles and other glass containers made in the United States and the history behind the factories that manufactured them. <br />
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• A.....................The letter "A" is often merely a mold letter. If it is an abbreviation for a glass factory, it could stand for one of several companies. One possibility: Agnew & Company, Pittsburgh, PA (c.1854-1894+). See "A & CO." mark. Another possibility would be Adams & Company, Pittsburgh, PA (1861-1891). Originally Adams, Macklin & Company (1851-1861), they did manufacture at least one type of fruit jar circa 1866, lettered "Adams & Co./Manufacturers/Pittsburgh,Pa." on the front. However, the great bulk of their glass production seems to have been pressed pattern glass and high-quality tableware and novelties, especially throughout the later years of their operation. In 1891, they joined the merger known as the United States Glass Company. Note: If the bottle is machine-made, the letter "A" would indicate a much more recent company, perhaps Arkansas Glass Container Corporation, Jonesboro, AR (1958-to date). <br />
• A & CO............Agnew & Company, Pittsburgh, PA (c.1854-1894+). There was a series of glass companies in the Pittsburgh area in which the Agnew family was involved, beginning as early as 1842 with Chambers & Agnew. Later, approximately 1854, the firm became John Agnew & Company (1854-1870); then, John Agnew & Son (1871-1876) and later simply Agnew & Company (1876-1892+). The most recent incarnation seems to have been "The Agnew Company", which was in operation in 1894 (a bottle catalog from this company exists, dated 1894) which may have continued on for some time afterwards. Jars that are marked "JOHN AGNEW & SON / PITTSBURG PA" presumably date from about 1871 to 1876, and those marked "AGNEW & CO / PITTSBURG PA" would date from c. 1876 into the early 1890s. See "A" entry. <br />
• A in a circle.........Armstrong Cork Company (Glass Division), Lancaster, PA; Millville, NJ [former Whitall Tatum Co. plant] ; Dunkirk, IN [former Hart Glass Mnfg Co. plant]. Mark was used from 1938-1969 on bottles and insulators. If there is a line underneath the "circled A", this indicates the bottle was produced at the Dunkirk plant. <br />
• A in a diamond.......Unknown <br />
• A with an eagle emblem (wings outstretched, appears as if flying through the A)...........Akro Agate Company, Akron, OH (1911-1914) and Clarksburg, WV (1914-1951). Maker of marbles as well as ashtrays and many unusual novelty items, mostly found in various colors of opaque glass (milkglass). <br />
• A. Arbogast, Pitts..............Unidentified glass factory in Pittsburgh, probably existed circa 1860-1880. Mark is pictured in Bottles on the Western Frontier by Rex L. Wilson (1981:113) and was presumably on a cylinder whiskey. <br />
• A B..................American Bottle Company (1905-1929). See A.B.CO. <br />
• AB (letters attached, as shown)...........American Bottle Company (1905-1929). See A.B.CO. <br />
• AB (letters attached) Co...........American Bottle Company (1905-1929). See A.B.CO. mark. This and the above mark was attributed to Adolphus Busch Glass Manufacturing Co. by Toulouse. Recent research (by Bill Lockhart) has shown that the American Bottle Company was the actual source of bottles with the "AB" (letters attached) and "AB CO" marks. The "AB" and "A.B.CO" marks are also frequently misunderstood by collectors to mean "Anheuser-Busch", which is incorrect. <br />
• A.B.C.................Atlantic Bottle Company, Brackenridge, PA (c.1916-1930). First only a distributor (pre-1916), Atlantic was later an actual manufacturer of bottles. The Brackenridge plant was purchased by Owens-Illinois in 1930. <br />
• A.B.CO................American Bottle Company (1905-1929). Chicago, IL (office - 1905-1916); Toledo, OH (office - 1916-1929). Glass plant locations at Streator, IL; Newark, OH; Belleville, IL; Massillon, OH & Wooster, OH. The American Bottle Company was purchased by Owens Bottle Machine Company in 1916 (with some of the plants being closed soon afterwards) but the Streator and Newark plants continued to operate under the American Bottle Co. name until 1929, when they became part of the merger that resulted in Owens-Illinois Glass Co. (For Streator and Newark plant marks from 1916 to 1929, see "17N" and "16S" entries). Most, if not all, of the "AB", "AB CO." and "A.B.CO." marked bottles are believed to date between 1905 and 1916. However, it is possible that some bottles with these markings might date between 1916 and 1929, but, if so, could only have been made at either the Streator or Newark plant. <br />
• A.B.G.CO..............Adolphus Busch Glass Mnfg. Company, see "A.B.G.M.CO." <br />
• A.B.G.C.ST.L..........Adolphus Busch Glass Mnfg. Company (Presumably produced at their St. Louis glass factory location). See next entry. <br />
• A.B.G.M.CO............Adolphus Busch Glass Mnfg. Company, plants at Belleville, IL (1886-c.1905) and St.Louis, MO (c.1891-1925). The Belleville factory became part of American Bottle Company c.1905. (See A.B.CO. mark). <br />
• Acorn logo (shown).........Bellaire Bottle Company (Works) (c.1886-1889+). Logo is occasionally seen on the base of clear glass prescription/medicine bottles. Thanks to David Bethman for emailing me with info on the source of this mysterious acorn mark! He reports that the mark appears on a Bellaire Bottle Company letterhead shown in a book by Scott Tyson called "Glass Houses of the 1800s". <br />
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• A. & D. H. C. .........Alexander & David H. Chambers, Pittsburgh, PA (1843-c.1889). This was one of the most prolific glass companies in Pittsburgh during the mid-to-late 1800s. Huge quantities of bottles, flasks, and fruit jars were made, as well as window glass. Many local, regional, and nationally distributed sodas, mineral waters, beers, bitters, tonics, and other types of products were packaged in bottles made by A&DHC. Most commonly, bottles with this mark usually seem to date from the 1870s and 1880s, but the mark was probably in use at least from around the start of the Civil War, perhaps a bit earlier. <br />
• Adams & Co............. See "A" entry. <br />
• A G C (within outline of state of Arkansas).......Arkansas Glass Container Corporation, Jonesboro, AR (1958-to date) <br />
• Agnew & CO............See "A & CO." <br />
• Agnew & Son...........See "A & CO." <br />
• A.G.W.................in some cases, American Glass Works, Pittsburgh, PA (1866-1905). This company, which was officially known as "American Glass Works, Limited" after 1880, MAY have produced some glass marked "A.G.W." during the time period of 1866-1880, although I am not aware of any definitive proof that they did. American Glass Works reportedly manufactured mostly window glass prior to 1880. After 1880, the mark was most frequently "A.G.W.L.", although various bottles that date after 1880 (such as certain hutchinson sodas) do carry "A.G.W."(no L) so I tend to believe that both mark variants were used, at times, during the 1880-1905 period. (See next two entries). <br />
• A.G.W.................American Glass Works, Richmond, VA (1908-1925) and Paden City, WV (1918-c.1935). Bottles (especially crown-closure soda bottles) of the teens and 1920s from the VA and surrounding area with "A.G.W." marked on the base are virtually certain to be products of this company (not to be confused with the earlier American Glass Works of Pittsburgh, an unrelated company). Machine-made bottles date after 1916 (Toulouse 1971:23). The Richmond plant burned in 1925 and was not rebuilt. This company also reportedly used an "A in a circle" mark on some bottles. In any case, that mark was primarily used by the Armstrong Cork Company from 1938 to 1969. <br />
• A.G.W.L...............American Glass Works, Limited, Pittsburgh, PA (1880-1905). Advertisements exist which show this company produced a large line of Hutchinson type soda bottles, as well as many other bottles including beers and mineral waters. The mark "A.G.W.L." which appears on the heel of many Hutchinsons can be definitely attributed to this company. Please see the above two entries on "A.G.W.". <br />
• A H K.................Alexander H. Kerr & Company, Altoona, KS (1909-1912); Sand Springs, OK (1912-19??); later plants at Huntington, WV (1933-19??); Santa Ana, CA (1943-19??) and several other locations. Business offices in Los Angeles after 1919. This trademark was used from 1944-1992. See Kerr mark. <br />
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1872 maps above show no J&L mill site, although historically it was first established in 1854 , see the Pittsburgh project maps of S.Side 1872 and earlier History.</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=Carrick-Overbrook_Historical_Society:Community_Portal&diff=452Carrick-Overbrook Historical Society:Community Portal2008-07-25T02:09:30Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
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<div>== '''About the new [[Carrick Mural]] on [[Brownsville Road]].''' ==<br />
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The north facing wall of Vern Gillenburger’s building will soon display the [[Carrick Mural]] provided by the Sprout fund. While art is in the eye of the viewer, this project was a result of many hours of discussions with the Sprout fund and with artist, Phil Seth. Our past links us to [[Carrick-on-Suir]], Ireland, but we are not all Irish and neither are we “Native American Indians” who lived here ,years ago. We are a melting pot of all nationalities and races, we are all "Americans." We are joined with our neighboring community of [[Overbrook]] because of our "jigsaw" puzzle boundaries and because we are so alike.<br />
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As the current residents, we realize that we are the caretakers of [[Carrick]] and [[Overbrook]]. We are currently trying to improve our lives and our communities with clean ups, trees, tree trimming, new trash cans and possibly, more murals. Please feel free to join us in these efforts, when your time allows. <br />
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Many facets for the [[Carrick Mural]] were suggested and considered. We are hoping that this mural provides a pleasant view of Carrick to those who drive through. For those who live here and walk by it; there are smaller details to discover, to enjoy and ponder. Those of us, who attended those meetings, hope that this new mural depicts Carrick’s family values and Carrick’s hometown feeling.<br />
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''Joe Krynock''<br />
July 4, 2008</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=Carrick-Overbrook_Historical_Society:Community_Portal&diff=133Carrick-Overbrook Historical Society:Community Portal2008-07-05T18:24:35Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
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<div> About the new Carrick Mural on Brownsville Road.<br />
<br />
The north facing wall of Vern Gillenburger’s building will soon display a mural provided by the Sprout fund. While art is in the eye of the viewer, this project was a result of many hours of discussions with the Sprout fund and with artist, Phil Seth. Our past links us to Carrick au Suir Ireland but we are not all Irish. Neither are we “Native American Indians” who lived here in time past.<br />
<br />
As the current residents, we realize that we are the caretakers of Carrick. We are currently trying to improve our lives and our community; with clean ups, trees, tree trimming; new trash cans and possibly, more murals. Please feel free to join us in these efforts; when your time allows.<br />
<br />
Many facets for the mural were suggested and considered. We are hoping the mural provides a pleasant view of Carrick to those who drive through. For those who live here and walk by it; there are smaller details to discover, to enjoy and ponder. Those of us, who attended those meetings, hope that this new mural depicts Carrick’s family values and Carrick’s hometown feeling.<br />
Joe Krynock July 4th 2008 <br />
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For more information , contact the organizations listed below:<br />
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http://groups.google.com/group/carrickPA?hl=en Carrick E mail list<br />
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http://www.carrickcommunity.com/ > Community activities<br />
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Streetscape committee > contact Mary Angela Ogg at 412 882 6416<br />
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carricklitterpatrol.com <nuvoyinzer2@verizon.net<br />
<br />
Carrick gardening > contact > Mike woshner at 412 884 3834<br />
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Tree tending program contact Alice Vaday at 412 885 3293</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=Carrick-Overbrook_Historical_Society:Community_Portal&diff=132Carrick-Overbrook Historical Society:Community Portal2008-07-05T15:32:31Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
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<div> About the new Carrick Mural on Brownsville Road.<br />
<br />
The north facing wall of Vern Gillenburger’s building will soon display a mural provided by the Sprout fund. While art is in the eye of the viewer, this project was a result of many hours of discussions with the Sprout fund and artist Phil Seth.<br />
Our past history and our name Links us to Carrick au Suir, Ireland But we are not all Irish. Neither are we, the “Native American Indians” who lived here in time past. When " we " look back to Ireland to where we moved from; or Back to our past, We use those places and times; to decide what we do today and where we will proceed next.<br />
<br />
We realize; that we are the caretakers of Carrick. We are currently trying to improve our lives and community; with clean ups, trees, tree trimming; new trash cans and possibly, more murals.<br />
<br />
Please feel free to join with these efforts; when your time allows it.<br />
<br />
Many facets for the mural were suggested and considered. We are hoping the mural provides a simple view of Carrick; to those who drive thru. For those who live here and walk by it; there are smaller details to enjoy and ponder.<br />
<br />
Those of us, who attended those meetings, hope that this new mural depicts Carrick’s family values and Carrick’s hometown feeling.<br />
Joe Krynock July 4th 2008 <br />
<br />
For more information , contact the organizations listed below:<br />
<br />
http://groups.google.com/group/carrickPA?hl=en Carrick E mail list<br />
<br />
http://www.carrickcommunity.com/ > Community activities<br />
<br />
Streetscape committee > contact Mary Angela Ogg at 412 882 6416<br />
<br />
carricklitterpatrol.com <nuvoyinzer2@verizon.net<br />
<br />
Carrick gardening > contact > Mike woshner at 412 884 3834<br />
<br />
Tree tending program contact Alice Vaday at 412 885 3293</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=Carrick-Overbrook_Historical_Society:Community_Portal&diff=131Carrick-Overbrook Historical Society:Community Portal2008-07-04T16:09:40Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
<hr />
<div> About the new Carrick Mural on Brownsville Road.<br />
<br />
The north facing wall of Vern Gillenburger’s building will soon display a mural provided by the Sprout fund. While art is in the eye of the viewer, this project was a result of many hours of discussions with the Sprout fund and artist Phil Seth.<br />
Our past history and our name Links us to Carrick au Suir, Ireland But we are not all Irish. Neither are we, the “Native American Indians” who lived here in time past. When " we " look back to Ireland to where we moved from; or Back to our past, We use those places and times; to decide what we do today and where we will proceed next.<br />
<br />
We realize that; we are the residents and caretakers of Carrick. We are a working community, currently trying to improve our lives and appearance; with clean ups, trees, tree trimming; new trash cans and possibly, more murals.<br />
<br />
Please feel free to join with these efforts; when your time allows it.<br />
<br />
Many facets for the mural were suggested and considered. We are hoping the mural provides a simple view of Carrick; to those who drive thru. For those who live here and walk by it; there are smaller details to enjoy and ponder.<br />
<br />
Those of us, who attended those meetings, hope that this new mural depicts Carrick’s family values and Carrick’s hometown feeling.<br />
Joe Krynock July 4th 2008 <br />
<br />
For more information , contact the organizations listed below:<br />
<br />
http://groups.google.com/group/carrickPA?hl=en Carrick E mail list<br />
<br />
http://www.carrickcommunity.com/ > Community activities<br />
<br />
Streetscape committee > contact Mary Angela Ogg at 412 882 6416<br />
<br />
carricklitterpatrol.com <nuvoyinzer2@verizon.net<br />
<br />
Carrick gardening > contact > Mike woshner at 412 884 3834<br />
<br />
Tree tending program contact Alice Vaday at 412 885 3293</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=Carrick-Overbrook_Historical_Society:Community_Portal&diff=130Carrick-Overbrook Historical Society:Community Portal2008-07-04T16:05:56Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
<hr />
<div> About the new Carrick Mural on Brownsville Road.<br />
<br />
The north facing wall of Vern Gillenburger’s building will soon display a mural provided by the Sprout fund. While art is in the eye of the viewer, this project was a result of many hours of discussions with the Sprout fund and artist Phil Seth.<br />
Our past history and our name Links us to Carrick au Suir, Ireland But we are not all Irish. Neither are we, the “Native American Indians” who lived here in time past. When " we " look back to Ireland,to where we moved from; or Back to our past, We use those places and times; to decide what we do today and where we will proceed next.<br />
<br />
We realize that; we are the residents and caretakers of Carrick. We are a working community, currently trying to improve our lives and appearance; with clean ups, trees, tree trimming; new trash cans and possibly, more murals.<br />
<br />
Please feel free to join with these efforts; when your time allows it.<br />
<br />
Many facets for the mural were suggested and considered. We are hoping the mural provides a simple view of Carrick; to those who drive thru. For those who live here and walk by it; there are smaller details to enjoy and ponder.<br />
<br />
Those of us, who attended those meetings, hope that this new mural depicts Carrick’s family values and Carrick’s hometown feeling.<br />
Joe Krynock July 4th 2008 <br />
<br />
For more information , contact the organizations listed below:<br />
<br />
http://groups.google.com/group/carrickPA?hl=en Carrick E mail list<br />
<br />
http://www.carrickcommunity.com/ > Community activities<br />
<br />
Streetscape committee > contact Mary Angela Ogg at 412 882 6416<br />
<br />
carricklitterpatrol.com <nuvoyinzer2@verizon.net<br />
<br />
Carrick gardening > contact > Mike woshner at 412 884 3834<br />
<br />
Tree tending program contact Alice Vaday at 412 885 3293</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=Carrick-Overbrook_Historical_Society:Community_Portal&diff=129Carrick-Overbrook Historical Society:Community Portal2008-07-04T14:01:04Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
<hr />
<div> About the new Carrick Mural on Brownsville Road.<br />
<br />
The north facing wall of Vern Gillenburger’s building will soon display a mural provided by the Sprout fund. While art is in the eye of the viewer, this project was a result of many hours of discussions with the Sprout fund and artist Phil Seth.<br />
Our past history and our name Links us to Carrick au Suir, Ireland But we are not all Irish. Neither are we, the “Native American Indians” who lived here in time past. When " we " look back to Ireland, or to our past, We use those places and times; to decide what we do today and where we will proceed next.<br />
<br />
We realize that; we are the residents and caretakers of Carrick. We are a working community, currently trying to improve our lives and appearance; with clean ups, trees, tree trimming; new trash cans and possibly, more murals.<br />
<br />
Please feel free to join with these efforts; when your time allows it.<br />
<br />
Many facets for the mural were suggested and considered. We are hoping the mural provides a simple view of Carrick; to those who drive thru. For those who live here and walk by it; there are smaller details to enjoy and ponder.<br />
<br />
Those of us, who attended those meetings, hope that this new mural depicts Carrick’s family values and Carrick’s hometown feeling.<br />
Joe Krynock July 4th 2008 <br />
<br />
For more information , contact the organizations listed below:<br />
<br />
http://groups.google.com/group/carrickPA?hl=en Carrick E mail list<br />
<br />
http://www.carrickcommunity.com/ > Community activities<br />
<br />
Streetscape committee > contact Mary Angela Ogg at 412 882 6416<br />
<br />
carricklitterpatrol.com <nuvoyinzer2@verizon.net<br />
<br />
Carrick gardening > contact > Mike woshner at 412 884 3834<br />
<br />
Tree tending program contact Alice Vaday at 412 885 3293</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=Carrick-Overbrook_Historical_Society:Community_Portal&diff=128Carrick-Overbrook Historical Society:Community Portal2008-07-04T13:53:16Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
<hr />
<div> About the new Carrick Mural on Brownsville Road.<br />
<br />
<br />
The north facing wall of Vern Gillenburger’s building will soon display a mural provided by the Sprout fund. While art is in the eye of the viewer, this project was a result of many hours of discussions with the Sprout fund and artist Phil Seth.<br />
Our past history and our name Links us to Carrick au Suir, Ireland But we are not all Irish. Neither are we, the “Native American Indians” who lived here in time past. When " we " look back to Ireland, or to our past, We use those places and times; to decide what we do today and where we will proceed next.<br />
<br />
We realize that; we are the residents and caretakers of Carrick. We are a working community, currently trying to improve our lives and appearance; with clean ups, trees, tree trimming; new trash cans and possibly, more murals.<br />
<br />
Please feel free to join with these efforts; when your time allows it.<br />
<br />
Many facets for the mural were suggested and considered. We are hoping the mural provides a simple view of Carrick; to those who drive thru. For those who live here and walk by it; there are smaller details to enjoy and ponder.<br />
<br />
Those of us, who attended those meetings, hope that this new mural depicts Carrick’s family values and Carrick’s hometown feeling. <br />
<br />
Joe Krynock<br />
July 4th. 2008<br />
<br />
For more information , contact the organizations listed below:<br />
<br />
<br />
http://groups.google.com/group/carrickPA?hl=en Carrick E mail list<br />
<br />
http://www.carrickcommunity.com/ > Community activities<br />
<br />
Streetscape committee > contact Mary Angela Ogg at 412 882 6416<br />
<br />
carricklitterpatrol.com <nuvoyinzer2@verizon.net<br />
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Tree tending program contact Alice Vaday at 412 885 3293</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=Carrick-Overbrook_Historical_Society:Community_Portal&diff=126Carrick-Overbrook Historical Society:Community Portal2008-07-04T10:54:11Z<p>Jkrynock: New page: The new Carrick Mural The north facing wall of Vern Gillenburger’s building will soon display a mural provided by the Sprout fund. While art is in the eye...</p>
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<div> The new Carrick Mural<br />
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The north facing wall of Vern Gillenburger’s building will soon display a mural provided by the Sprout fund. While art is in the eye of the viewer, this project was a result of many hours of discussions with the Sprout fund and artist Phil Seth.<br />
Our past history and our name Links us to Carrick au Suir, Ireland But we are not all Irish. Neither are we, the “Native American Indians” who lived here originally. We may look to Ireland or to our past, as reminders and as references to where we will proceed next.<br />
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We realize that; we are the residents and caretakers of Carrick. We are a working community, currently trying to improve our lives and appearance; with clean ups, trees, tree trimming; new trash cans and possibly, more murals. Please feel free to join in these efforts when your time allows it.<br />
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Many facets were suggested and considered. We are hoping the mural provides a simple view of Carrick; to those who drive by. For those who live here and walk by; there are smaller details to enjoy and ponder.<br />
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Those of us, who attended those meetings, hope that this new mural depicts Carrick’s family values and Carrick’s hometown feeling. <br />
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Joe Krynock<br />
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<div>== This is my introduction and short history of the origins of The Carrick-Overbrook Historical Society along with my first order of business was to be what I will title '''"The Hornaday Road Report”''' ==<br />
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John Rudiak and I, Joe Krynock, were discussing our street’s historical background at the 2007 Hornaday Road block party. This is an annual neighborhood gathering where neighbors get together. Recently retired and with time on his hands, John mentioned that he was going to the Recorder of Deeds office to research deed information. Since I also wanted to explore my home’s past and to determine a build date, John and I decided to work together. I had researched deeds before but that seemed a very long time ago. As we talked more during the block party, other neighbors mentioned historic information about their homes, or rumored information of our Hornaday Road neighborhood. Even with these scattered tidbits of information not many knew specific details for sure. Since John had already been living here since 1976 when I moved into Carrick in 1982, I thought John knew more historic details about Hornaday Road than me. <br />
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"Not really" he said. <br />
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I told him that a Pittsburgh Councilman named Phillips was a friend of William T. Hornaday. In fact; when they were not hunting together, they promoted stuff like Boy Scouting, better zoos and conservation. <br />
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“Our Hornaday,” John asked “Who was he?” <br />
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I responded that William T. Hornaday was a conservationist writer but he was also a taxidermist and the director at the Bronx, New York zoo and that I found this out by accident. Years ago I bought a bargain priced book titled “Buck Fever” because it written by Mike Sajna, now deceased, an writer that I recognized. Mike Sajna's book was printed by the University of Pittsburgh Press and it was about deer hunting and the Pennsylvania Game Commission history. In that book there were the names of John M. Phillips and William T. Hornaday. We talked about that and I stated that I wanted to investigate that small bit of information, someday soon. John noted that I was retired so now was as good a time to start as ever.<br />
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The next day after our block party I found my copy of “Buck Fever” and re-read pages 68 to 78 to refresh my memory and sure enough the clues to our history where there. Then I then suggested to John that perhaps together we could collaborate on a Hornaday Road history project and we could do a story or report for our neighbors and friends before the next year’s block party in 2008. <br />
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With these few clues we started our search. John and I started at the Recorder of Deeds office downtown and we pulled dozens of dusty Deed books to track our own property records. We spent most of a day there when John found some very interesting information about J. B. Murray's housing plan laid out in December 1859 and made copies for later reference. <br />
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[[Image:1859 J.B.jpg]] <br />
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And then we found this map and its information was related to all of the homes and owners in the area which raised more questions for us.<br />
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A short time later we went to the Carrick Library and we asked if they had any local historical information there. Julia Kuchta, librarian, showed us the file cabinets in one corner of the community room. Pleasantly surprised we found that Mr. Joe Spiecker, a local historian along with help from Mrs. Audrey Dawida, sorted and archived local history for close to twenty years. Joe and Audrey had assembled many binders of information, which we perused. Interestingly the information was not touched for a long time but John found a crumpled piece of paper, with something inside it. It was a Volunteer Fireman’s badge from when Carrick was a borough. We both felt that this item was not just rare but of great historic importance to the community, too important to just be lying in a file drawer easily lost. John immediately brought it to Julia’s attention asking if there was a secure storage location for it. As we looked at the collection of photos and articles, we found missing and misplaced as to page numbers. John commented that if all this stuff was scanned and digitized it would be easier to protect, store, document and collect. To give you an idea of what we found there were photostatic copies of old photos, some original photos, news articles and papers, loose papers all lying at the bottom of drawer; perhaps they fell out or ransacked or they just were never identified and mounted. Joe Speiker was contacted but he said he lost interest and was in ill health at the time, but asked us to take care of his collection.<br />
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A carpenter by trade computer work is not what I did for a living and I felt that my plan for a short historical letter to the neighbors had suddenly thrust me into much deeper waters than I had intended. John suggested that instead of making and saving copies of our findings which would have amounted to reams of paper that we digitize it all into a website for anyone to review, not just Hornaday residents, to explore in their own time and leisure. So it was John who took me into this new and uncharted internet territory with the website idea. <br />
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Often and independently, we looked for maps and stuff on internet sites. I found the Historic Pittsburgh Project online and among their sources and maps was the survey map dated 1905.<br />
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[[Image:1905 j.b.murray plan.jpg]]<br />
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Among other details,This map shows that a John Phillips had owned a “piano” shaped piece of land which had his mansion as it faced Southern Avenue, also known as Brownsville Road, The Brownsville Plank Road, or The Brownsville Road.<br />
His property was bordered on the Northern side by Becks Ave./the township road<br />
this was changed by 1916 to Agnew.<br />
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[[Image:Mansion close up 1905.jpg]]<br />
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This enlarged section of the 1905 map details how John Phillips’ mansion sat on Lot 3; set back from Brownsville Road / Southern ave. and was centered where the current Hornaday Road is now. His “Governor’s style” driveway for his horse drawn carriages; curved away from his home to meet the streets that we know as East Agnew Avenue and Madeline Street. I will assume (for now) that it may have been built about the time of the Civil war. <br />
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[[Image:John Phillips Hornaday Homestead-1.jpg]]<br />
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A close examination of the Carrick post card photo of John Phillips home, (provided by Carol Anthony of the South Pittsburgh Historical Group,) reveals a platform and a telescope pointed skyward at the center of the roof. The driveway is barely noticeable in this photo.<br />
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As the 1905 map shows, that John Phillips mansion and his property extended, east to the Rehman family property from The Southern Ave. So, at one time, before there was a “Hornaday road”; John Phillips owned an area that was eventually divided into lots for eighty homes. His mansion was on the entire flat top area; which has been divided since then, into forty lots (39 homes and Zion church) with those addresses from 95 to 163. This section was only a part of the "Phillips Manor Plan". The original plan included the boundaries of Rehman Street and Murray Street (now Madeline) and Scout avenue.<br />
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Those homes are on lots that were laid out in October of 1915, by John M. Phillips. In October of 1926, John M. Phillips, John Phillips’ nephew, once again laid out the Phillips Manor Plan revision, of lots 98 to 118 inclusive, in order to provide an alley way to those homes which he called Revision Way. It is estimated to have about 18 acres in all. <br />
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Parts of this story are missing, as yet. For example, Why did John MacFarlane Phillips name Hornaday Road after his friend, William T. Hornaday?<br />
What happened to His cousin, John Phillips? Did he pass away at an early age?<br />
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For now, I have found '''Carrick Borough ordinances dated 1913''' that detail street name changes for all sections of the J.B.Murray area and plan. This was done in anticipation of a Home building effort on Hornaday's road. I did not research individual homes as per public records, for specific build dates. I think it is fair to say that there was some access to Hornaday and Dowling at that time. One resident recalls that Hornaday road itself was a dirt road in the 1950's. At least the section between Redrose and Dowling.<br />
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As noted already; Hornaday Road did not exist according to the 1905 map, though plans for our homes and lots were done by J. B. Murray in 1859. According to that 1859 map; John Phillips only owned lots 1 thru 7. It should be easy for Hornaday residents to imagine our road thru the center of his mansion and property eastward to the slight bend and then downhill beginning at Rehman Street. In 1915, this road was called Waltman Street and lead down to August Waldman's farm, where it met Stevenson Street which was renamed Dowling in 1916. <br />
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On Stevenson Street nine lots were laid out by the Carrick Borough School Directors on November 19, 1915, for the third location of Concord Elementary School. These lots sit on the southside Dowling Street. <br />
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The Rihman Heirs, note spelling change to Rehman Street, laid out seven lots from Hornaday Road to Madaline Street on the eastern side of that street. Some name changes so far noticed have been due to ownership changes, but some others like Rehman from the original Rihman, may be due to pronouncment variations at that time. Possibly these names were "Americanized" to resolve pronunciation problems, I am surmising.<br />
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Continuing the list of land owners involved with Hornaday Road at that time, we find the Bielau plan of lots beginning with addresses 201 downhill to approximately 229. The Bielau property was on the left or north side of the downhill section, with the Benarding property down to Dowling Street (note Concord school number 3 of 5 properties on lot 11.) Bernarding owned lots adjoining these, additional odd numbered addresses 231 to 251. <br />
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Directly on the opposite, on the southern side were lots that were divided from August Waldman’s farm. In fact, this section of our road was called Waldman until several zoning changes were made in 1913. John noted that J. B. MURRAY owned this area at one time and his name is prominent in italic text on many early maps of this area. We found that his original plan was to connect Agnew and Hornaday road with another 364 foot long section of Red Rose Avenue. This would have made all three sections of Red Rose Avenue 1,202 feet long. But that would have required eliminating 219 Hornaday Road and 217 Agnew Avenue, which are the property lots between Agnew Avenue and Hornaday Road. <br />
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Eliza Weber owned all the lots on the eastern side of Redrose Avenue. At this time 10 houses facing Redrose Avenue and perhaps four more facing Hornaday share her original property. Roughly speaking, fourteen of the 22 addresses listed on this street seem to have been built by the same builder and possibly many more in the years around 1927. There are older homes, dated from 1876,1900,1904,1907 and 1910, if county records were always correct. <br />
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Also shown on the accompanying plan of lots, William F Seiger owned approximately two acres which was divided into 14 parcels. Ten lots were on the western side of Redrose and four lots were to face Hornaday. Two homes, at 218 and 220 Hornaday were built on lots three and four. My home at 216 was built on lots one and two. <br />
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Other items we found in our research to date:<br />
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Prior to 1927 this area, was known as Carrick Borough which was at one time part of Baldwin Township. Lower Saint Clair Township is also found on some deeds. Carrick Borough by 1926 vote was officially annexed into the city of Pittsburgh in 1927. The old and narrow borough building is at 1808 Brownsville Road. Before 1927, Carrick was very progressive under the guidance of very knowledgeable and foresighted leadership. Carrick already had the first sewerage system in western Pennsylvania. Just take a short step out onto Hornaday Road to see the Carrick Boro logos on all the manholes. Here are several photos of manhole covers that John Rudiak found and photographed. <br />
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We learned from the John Heinz Historical Center that John Phillips was vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company, also formerly known as Lewis and Phillips on the South side at 12th street on the Monongahela River. John Phillips had a son in 1864, also named John with no middle initial. At this point in time in our investigations not much else is known about him.<br />
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John MacFarlane Phillips, mentioned previously, is our connection to William T. Hornaday. John M. Phillips was not the son but a nephew of John Phillips and was the Vice President of Oliver Iron and Steel Company. A better explanation follows and is from Mike Sajna’s book “Buck Fever.” (see pg 69) <br />
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“John MacFarlane Phillips was born February 15, 1861. He was the son of James Phillips, one of the founders of the Oliver Iron and Steel Company, whose own father had come to Western Pennsylvania from Northern Ireland in 1795 to work as a blacksmith. Phillips attended public schools and then studied engineering and was made superintendent of the bolt works and forging plants of the Lewis Oliver and Phillip’s company. Later he became manager of the company’s mining equipment department and in 1899, with his Uncle John, purchased the company’s mine supply division and established the Phillip’s mine and Mill supply company. He was that company’s President one year later (1890).” <br />
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At this point of my history search, I do not know exactly when John M. Phillips and William T. Hornaday met but I do know that he and Hornaday were hunting together in British Columbia in 1901. They were involved in many aspects of game protection and the mad rush to the west had nearly wiped out all fur bearers, most notably the buffalo and the beavers. <br />
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There are references in various news articles that John M. Phillips was married at that time and took his new bride, Harriet Duff Phillips, to a ranch, where they stayed for a month. Hornaday and Phillips were in Colorado by 1903, by 1906 Phillips was an illustrator for another of Hornaday’s many conservation minded books on of which is titled “ Campfire in the Canadian Rockies. ” <br />
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In 1907 they were in Mexico and as they had done before Hornaday and Phillips donated even more stuffed animals from their hunts for displays in Museums. At the Carnegie Museum of Natural History in Oakland at least one of Phillips’ displays remains in the hall of mammals. It is a glass enclosure displaying a family of Cheetahs. However, sharing time together can lead to common interests: zoos, conservation, camping and hunting which helped bring these men together, although there was a seven year age difference between them. Hornaday and Phillips realized that outdoor training and conservation awareness could be fostered in youth through Boy Scouting. They were not alone in their thinking and according to Mike Sajna John M. Phillips organized the First Boy Scout troop in Pennsylvania in 1910. It was the second such troop in America. Phillips provided its members with a place to meet in his home at 2336 Brownsville road. This location is now the site of Saint Piux Church and small remnants of the original “castellated” stone wall remains between the church and Concord Elementary School. In front of the Church the wall had been lowered but it returns to its original “castellated” height and location in front of the home to the right of the church. Phillips’ home was also used for the celebration of many church services until 1959 when it was demolished for the new church. <br />
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In its borough days, Carrick also had the first filtered water supply in western Pennsylvania; with 180 pounds per square inch of pressure; coming from the South Pittsburgh water plant, located at Beck’s Run Road, site of Hays Mine. Carrick Borough and its wealthy businessmen had already begun paving its streets with planks of wood three inches thick and four feet wide along with sidewalks. John M. Phillips, for the most part paid for the widening of Brownsville Road to a 60 foot right-of-way from Becks Run Road to 2331 Brownsville Road Mt Oliver. <br />
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Once annexed into the city, some street names were changed to avoid duplication of existing street names in use elsewhere in Pittsburgh. Murray Street became Madeline Street and the original bend in Murray Ave (look between Murray’s “Rs” on the 1905 map) has since been straightened. Beck’s Avenue is Agnew and was also a township road in Baldwin Township until 1927. <br />
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Take a look at The Crailo Plan, The Southern Avenue Land Company on the 1905 map, just north of Hornaday Road homes. This area was owned by John Agnew, beginning with its narrow lots on the north side of the street that still bears his name. One of my early assumptions about this area which have been proved correct is that this fifty two acre parcel of land was given to John Agnew and his wife and her father which Agnew and Chambers operated a glass works there. I contacted, Susan Buyers, an Agnew relative, to ask if Agnew and Chambers had taken over Engleart Glass, the first glass factory in Pittsburgh. She did not verify that question but if she had another early historic puzzle piece would fall into place. John Agnew’s new home, likely faced the Southern Road, AKA Brownsville Road, after looking at a drawing of that house. We think that it is located where the BP gas station is today. If Agnew also had his South Side glass factory, this older Engleart site was razed and resold in small lots, perhaps many of these new residents were employees at his South Side glass works.<br />
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The name of Engleartville was the local name of Carrick prior to 1853, when Dr. John O’Brien established the first post office naming it Carrick after his home town of Carrick-on-Suir, Tipperary County, Ireland.</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=Hornaday_Road&diff=116Hornaday Road2008-07-01T23:14:11Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
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<div>An Introduction and short History of the Carrick Overbrook Historical Society <br />
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"My", First order of business; "The Hornaday road report."<br />
John Rudiak and I, { Joe Krynock } were talking at the 2007 Hornaday Road, block party. John mentioned that he was going to the Recorder of Deeds office to research deed information for his home and for his daughter’s home, also in Carrick. Since I wanted to explore my homes past and to determine a build date for my place, John and I planned to go there together. I had researched deeds before But that seamed long ago. As we talked more during the block party, other neighbors mentioned historic info about their homes or rumored information of "OUR" neighborhood. Yet not many knew specific details for sure. Since John had already been living here; when I moved into Carrick.(in 1982) I asked John, if he knew any historic details about Hornaday Road. <br />
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"Not really" he said. <br />
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I told him that A Pittsburgh "Councilman” named Phillips was a friend of William T. Hornaday. In fact; when they were not hunting together, they promoted stuff like Boy Scouting, better zoos and conservation. <br />
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“This Hornaday?, John asked “Who was he?”. <br />
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So, I told him; " William T. Hornaday was a Conservation minded Writer But He was also a taxidermist and the director;.. at the Bronx zoo ." <br />
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"How did you find that?” John asked. <br />
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“Honestly, by accident! Years ago; I bought a bargain priced book; called “Buck fever”, mostly because it written by Mike Sajna, { now deceased } a name I recognised. Mike Sajna's book was printed by the University of Pittsburgh Press. It was about deer hunting and Pennsylvania Game Commission history. I stated that I wanted to expand on,that small bit of information,... Someday!" <br />
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John said," Well,you are retired!" <br />
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I went to bed with that thought in my head. The next morning, (after the "Late night Party") ; I found my copy of “Buck fever” and re-read pages 68 to 78 to refresh my memory. Then I sent this e mail to John on Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:01:16 AM Subject: Hornaday history; <br />
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Hey John,<br />
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Perhaps we could collaborate on a Hornaday history, A kind of story or report; ( Hopefully / certainly it would be done ),..before the next block party; in 2008.<br />
JOE K <br />
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With these few clues we started “OUR” search @ August 20th 2007. John and I started at the Recorder of Deeds office downtown. We researched thru many Deed books to track our property records. We spent most of that day there; without trying to find his daughters deed or info. In the process; John found some information about J.B.Murray's housing plan and He had copies made for us to look at later. Murray's housing plan, had been laid out in December of 1859.<br />
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This map looks like it was hand drawn and the information was related to all of the homes and owners in the area; "IT" raised questions and eyebrows.<br />
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A short time later, We went to the local library. We asked if they had any local or Historical information there. They did, the librarian on duty showed us where to begin. Quite quickly we were surprised. Aparently a man named Joe Spiceker??? who lives on Agnew , Had been archiving items for close to twenty years already and had assembled many binders of information. As John and I broused through the files; John found a crumpled piece of paper, with something inside it. It was a metal badge, from a former fireman when Carrick was a borough. John and I both felt that this item was not just rare But of "Historic" importance to the community. John immeadiately showed it to the libraian, asking if there was a "Secure" place where she could store it. As we looked at the collection of photos and news articals, we found that some pages were missing and / or shuffled somewhat as to page numbers. John commented that if all this stuff was loaded into computor format,... it would be easier to protect and collect. Old photos lay at the bottom of a drawer, perhaps they fell out or they were never identified and mounted. <br />
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Computors are not what I did for my living and I felt that my plan for a short letter to the neighbors;... had suddenly got me into much deeper waters than I had intended; We waded in anyway. John suggested that instead of saving our own copies, ( probobly reams of paper and info ) at our homes,…that we load it all ; into a website for anyone ( Not Just Hornaday residents ) to explore in their own time and leisure. So,... it was John who took me into this new and uncharted territory, with the website idea. <br />
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Often and Independently; we looked for maps and stuff on internet sites. I found the Historic Pittsburgh Project online. Among their sources and maps; was this survey map dated 1905 ( see Historic Pittsburgh project.> G.W. Hopkins maps, Southern Pittsburgh area ; plate 4 / Carrick)<br />
When I showed it to John it provided us with a few new details. There were very few structures in the area.<br />
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[[Image:1905 j.b.murray plan.jpg]] <br />
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It showed that a John Phillips had owned a piano shaped piece of land for his mansion when it faced Southern Ave.also known as Brownsville road; the Southern Road to Brownsville or The plank road It was a toll road, With 3 toll booths between Arlington ave.and Present day Concord school.<br />
Hornaday Road, did not exist according to the 1905 map , though plans for our homes and lots were done by a J.B.Murray in 1859, John Phillips only owned lots 1 thru 7. It should be easy for Hornaday residents to imagine “Our” road thru the center of his Homestead and Mansion on lot 3 and more property Eastward to the bend in Hornaday road at Rehman. The small structure on lot 1 is likely a stable and carrage house, see the photo of John Phillips Carrick mansion that follows soon.<br />
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(This down hill section lead to August Waldman's farm, where " Hornaday meets Dowling today and was called Waltman Street until >>1915 <br />
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From Pittsburgh to Brownsville Pennsylvania is approximately 42 miles. In those early years; Brownsville was on the first “National Road”; also known as route 40 today. It follows British General Braddock’s campaign trail into our area. It served as the first road to the west,(thru Pittsburgh),from ports along the Atlantic coast. Even Lewis and Clark began their epic explorations, from Pittsburgh’s three rivers. <br />
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As the map shows, John Phillips mansion and his property extended ; EASTWARD > to the Rehman family property from; Southern Ave. So, at one time, Before there was a Hornaday road; John Phillips owned an area that was eventually divided into 118 lots; for almost eighty homes and a church. His home was on the entire flat top area of what We now call; “Our Hornaday Road” or at least forty homes and addresses from 95 to 163. This section was a part of the "Phillips Manor lots", laid out in October of 1915, By John M. Phillips.( A nephew ) The origional plan included Scout Ave. down to one side of Madaline and Rehman. <br />
One revision to this plan was made in October of 1926. John M. Phillips, again laid out the "Phillips Manor revision", of lots 98 to 118 inclusive. In order to provide an alley ( Revision way ) and rear access to those homes. <br />
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By my guess-timate; Uncle John Phillips (see Mansion on lot 3) had about 18 acres in all. <br />
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Here are my assumptions and facts,> I added, lot6 of >[ 6 acres and 115 perches]and lot 7[> 6 acres and 42 perches ] = 12 acres + 157 perches,almost 13 acres for those two lots alone ; since 160 perches equals one acre. Without all dimensions for lots 1 > 5 that face Brownsville road between Agnew and Madeline; and two lots showing , 5.73 perches each ,….Assuming,…. those lots are equal and amount to > 28.65 perches > I guessed another 5.58 acres for lots 1 thru 5 ; where his home apparently sat .{160 perches equals one acre / which is 208.71 ft by / 208.71 = 43559.8641 sq. feet) <br />
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Next; We continued searching for details about Hornaday and other Phillips family members, at the John Heinz history center. We learned that the above mentioned; John Phillips was vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company; (Formerly known as Lewis and Phillips on the South side, at 12th street on the river.) His Mansion sat on lot 3 ; set back from Brownsville road (and it was centered, where Hornaday Road is now) His ”Governor’s style” curved driveway, was likely for his horse drawn carriage , curved away from his home to meet the streets; we NOW know as Agnew and Madeline. <br />
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[[Image:Mansion close up 1905.jpg]]<br />
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At this time,(June 2008)I have not seen an official date for his home; for now;.. '''I will assume it may have been built after 1859 when I''' believe,... he bought this property from J.B.Murray. If not then, perhaps it was built; at some time before the Civil war.<br />
These street name changes will be explained later. <br />
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The number 1 Lot, near Philips Mansion is the Zion church property now. This map above; also shows Southern Ave./ also known as Brownsville road , Murray street in now called Madeline, on this map; Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew.<br />
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(More details of that area later.) <br />
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Until 1916, Dowling was called Stevenson St. Nine lots were laid out by the Carrick boro school directors on November 19th. 1915 . These lots sit on the up hill side of present day Dowling. <br />
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( ??/ I need to check ny notes and dates of zoning changes) <br />
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Rihman Heirs {note spelling change} >> ? Rehman street from Hornaday to Madaline was laid out with seven lots , on the eastern side of that street. Some name changes so far noticed have been due to ownership changes, But some others like Rehman from the origional Rihman; may be due to pronouncement variations at that time. Possibly these names were "Americanized" to resolve those possibilities. <br />
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Continuing the list of land owners involved with Hornaday Road at that time, We find the Bielau plan of lots beginning with addresses 201 downhill to approximately 229. The Bielau property was on the left / or North side of the down hill section , with Benarding down to Dowling street, note Concord school (number 3? of 5?) property on lot 11. <br />
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Bernarding owned lots adjoining these, additional odd numbered addresses 231 to 251? <br />
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Directly on the opposite/on the southern side were lots that were divided from August Waldman’s farm. In fact; this section of our road was called Waldman until several zoning changes were made in 1913. After our initial trip to the Recorder of deeds office ; John said that J.B.MURRAY owned this area at one time.Italic text Murray's origional plan was to connect Agnew and Hornaday road, with another 364 foot long section of Red rose. This would have made all three sections of Red rose;(1202 feet long)from end to end.<br />
But that would have required eliminating John Rudiaks lot and home at 219 Hornaday road, and another home on Agnew. <br />
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Eliza Weber owned all the lots on the eastern side of Redrose. At this time ten homes facing Redrose and perhaps four more facing Hornaday; share her original property. Roughly speaking, fourteen of the 22 addresses listed on this street seam to have been built by the same builder and many at about the same time; 1927. There are older homes, dated from 1876,1900,1904,1907 and 1910; if county records were always correct. <br />
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As shown on the accompanying plan of lots, William F Seiger owned approximately two acres which was divided into 14 parcels. Ten lots were on the western side of Redrose and four lots were to face Hornaday. Two homes, at 218 and 220 Hornaday were built on lots three and four. My home at 216 was built on lots one and two. <br />
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Prior to 1927, this area, was known as; Carrick borough; Lower Saint Clair and a part of The Baldwin township ; Carrick borough by a earlier dated local vote was officially annexed into the city of Pittsburgh ; in 1927. The Old and narrow borough building , is at 1808 Brownsville road , left of the old fire hall {More about “ it “later} Before 1927, Carrick already had the first sewerage system in western Pennsylvania; just step out to Hornaday road to see the Carrick Boro logos, that John Rudiak found and photographed, on our manhole covers. <br />
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A close examination of the Carrick post card photo of John Phillips home, [[Image:John Phillips Hornaday Homestead-1.jpg]]<br />
( provided by Carol Anthony ) reveals a platform and a telescope pointed skyward at the center of the roof. John Phillips had a son in 1864, named John. ( No middle initial ) At this point in time not much else; is known about him. <br />
John Rudiak has photographed many cemetary markers, in search of birth and death dates. Most likely this information will fall under bibliographies and or cemetary lists in due time.<br />
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John MacFarlane Phillips; ( Mentioned above ) is our connection to William T. Hornaday. John M. Phillips was not the son But a nephew of John Phillip’s; the vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company. A better explanation follows in the paragraph below, it is a direct copy from Mike Sajna, in his book “Buck Fever” see pg 69. <br />
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John MacFarlane Phillips was born February 15th. 1861. He was the son of James Phillips, one of the founders of the Oliver Iron and Steel Company, whose own father had come to Western Pennsylvania from Northern Ireland in 1795 to work as a blacksmith. Phillips attended public schools and then studied engineering and was made superintendent of the bolt works and forging plants of the Lewis Oliver and Phillip’s company. Later he became manager of the company’s mining equipment department and in 1899, with his Uncle John, purchased the company’s mine supply division and established the Phillip’s mine and Mill supply company. He was that company’s President one year later (1890) <br />
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{not bad I would say; at age 29 after starting at the south side company in 1880 from John Heinz history center sources} <br />
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At this point of my history search, I do not know exactly when, our man; “ John M ” Phillips and Hornaday met; I do know that He and Hornaday were hunting together in British Columbia in 1901. They were involved in many aspects of Game protection. The mad rush to the WEST, had nearly wiped out all fur bearers, most noteably; Buffalo and Beavers. <br />
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There are references in various news articles that John M. Had married at that time and took his new bride (Harriet Duff - Phillip’s) to a ranch, where she stayed for a month. Hornaday and Phillips were in Colorado by 1903, by 1906 Phillip’s was an illustrator for another of Hornaday’s many conservation minded books; “ Campfire in the Canadian Rockies ” <br />
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In 1907 they were in Mexico and as they had done before; Hornaday and Phillips donated even more animals from their hunts,for displays in Museums. At the Carnegie museum in Oakland, At least one of Phillips displays remains; in the hall of mammals; it is a glass enclosure of a family of Cheetahs. However, sharing time and common interests generally leads to more of the same. Their common interests; Zoos, conservation, camping and hunting helped bring these men together; there was a seven year age difference between them. Hornaday and Phillips realized that outdoor training and conservation / awareness would be fostered in youth thru Boy Scouting. They were not alone in their thinking. According to Mike Sajna; John MacFarlane Phillips organized the First Boy Scout troop in Pennsylvania, in 1910; it was the Second such troop in America. Phillip’s provided its members with a place to meet; in his home at 2336 Brownsville road. { At this point in time I am awaiting additional information , and // or confirmation of some of these details from a contact in the Pgh. Boy Scouts} Since February of 2008. This location is now the site of Saint Pias church, small remnants of the original “castellated” stone wall remains between the church and the New Concord School, But most likely ,… not for long.Italic text. In front of the Church the wall had been lowered But it returns to it’s original “castellated” height and location in front of the 1907 home to the right of the church. Phillips home was also used for the celebration of many church services until 1959. <br />
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In its borough days, Carrick also had the first filtered water supply in western Pennsylvania; with 180 pounds per square inch of pressure; coming from the South Pittsburgh water plant, located at Beck’s run. Carrick boro and its business men had already begun paving its streets and sidewalks; with planks of wood three inches thick. John MacFarlane Phillips; for the most part paid for two such sidewalks, they were from Becks Run , along Brownsville road to Mt Oliver. The first was four feet wide and the second was six feet wide. Once annexed into the city, some street names were changed to avoid duplication of existing street names,in use somewhere in Pittsburgh. Murray street became Madeline and the original bend in Murray Ave.{ Look between Mur ray’s R’s on the 1905 map} has since been straightened. Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew and was also a township road in The Baldwin township until 1927. Take a look at The Crailo plan, Southern Avenue land company on the 1905 map, Just north of Our homes. This area was owned by John Agnew, beginning with its narrow lots on the North side of the street that bears his name. One of my early assumptions about this area; have been proved correct, this fifty two acre parcel of land; was given to John Agnew and his wife; by her father. Agnew and Chambers operated a glass works there. I contacted, Susan Buyers; An Agnew relative to ask if Agnew and Chambers had taken over Englert glass; the first glass factory in Pittsburgh. She did NOT verify that question. But If she had , another early historic puzzle piece would fall into place. Since the name Englertville was the local name prior to 1753 and when Doctor Brown set up the first post office naming it Carrick after his home town of Carrick au Suir, in Tipperary Ireland. <br />
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John Agnew’s new home, likely faced the Southern road, ( Brownsville road ) after looking at a drawing of that house, I Assume;… for the moment ; that it sat where the BP gas station is today. If Agnew also had his South Side glass factory, this older Englert site was razed and resold in small lots; perhaps many of these new residents; were employee’s at his South Side glass works. The Concord church shown on this 1905 map is the “Stone” church where we vote. The original Concord church was a “ Wooden ” church, Both of the “ Concord churches “ will show on another survey map, available at Historic Pittsburgh; dated 1916. See the photo of the wooden church below. It was moved away from Brownsville road, Perhaps by Eichley { as they are World Famous for such things } of Pittsburgh but sat for a time in what is now their parking lot. It was used as a high school. Please note that I have included only ;...small portions of the maps available at Historic Pittsburgh.Italic text<br />
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The website; > Historic Pittsburgh project; allows you to investigate other places as well. You can create your own,"Enlargements" of your neighborhood or street.<br />
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The convent of Passionist nuns , in the photo above is located at 2700 Churchview Avenue at Spencer. <br />
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The map to follow displays name and neighborhood changes since 1905. '''This map section is from Concord church and north.''' On this map, also from 1905, you can see that there were four “ island ;.. flower planters” on THE Boulevard. Looking South / down from there you can see the name Phillips ave. and not, East Meyers Avenue. <br />
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"My", First order of business; "The Hornaday road report."<br />
John Rudiak and I, { Joe Krynock } were talking at the 2007 Hornaday Road, block party. John mentioned that he was going to the Recorder of Deeds office to research deed information for his home and for his daughter’s home, also in Carrick. Since I wanted to explore my homes past and to determine a build date for my place, John and I planned to go there together. I had researched deeds before But that seamed long ago. As we talked more during the block party, other neighbors mentioned historic info about their homes or rumored information of "OUR" neighborhood. Yet not many knew specific details for sure. Since John had already been living here; when I moved into Carrick.(in 1982) I asked John, if he knew any historic details about Hornaday Road. <br />
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"Not really" he said. <br />
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I told him that A Pittsburgh "Councilman” named Phillips was a friend of William T. Hornaday. In fact; when they were not hunting together, they promoted stuff like Boy Scouting, better zoos and conservation. <br />
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“This Hornaday?, John asked “Who was he?”. <br />
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So, I told him; " William T. Hornaday was a Conservation minded Writer But He was also a taxidermist and the director;.. at the Bronx zoo ." <br />
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"How did you find that?” John asked. <br />
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“Honestly, by accident! Years ago; I bought a bargain priced book; called “Buck fever”, mostly because it written by Mike Sajna, { now deceased } a name I recognised. Mike Sajna's book was printed by the University of Pittsburgh Press. It was about deer hunting and Pennsylvania Game Commission history. I stated that I wanted to expand on,that small bit of information,... Someday!" <br />
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John said," Well,you are retired!" <br />
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I went to bed with that thought in my head. The next morning, (after the "Late night Party") ; I found my copy of “Buck fever” and re-read pages 68 to 78 to refresh my memory. Then I sent this e mail to John on Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:01:16 AM Subject: Hornaday history; <br />
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Hey John,<br />
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Perhaps we could collaborate on a Hornaday history, A kind of story or report; ( Hopefully / certainly it would be done ),..before the next block party; in 2008.<br />
JOE K <br />
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With these few clues we started “OUR” search @ August 20th 2007. John and I started at the Recorder of Deeds office downtown. We researched thru many Deed books to track our property records. We spent most of that day there; without trying to find his daughters deed or info. In the process; John found some information about J.B.Murray's housing plan and He had copies made for us to look at later. Murray's housing plan, had been laid out in December of 1859.<br />
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This map looks like it was hand drawn and the information was related to all of the homes and owners in the area; "IT" raised questions and eyebrows.<br />
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A short time later, We went to the local library. We asked if they had any local or Historical information there. They did, the librarian on duty showed us where to begin. Quite quickly we were surprised. Aparently a man named Joe Spiceker??? who lives on Agnew , Had been archiving items for close to twenty years already and had assembled many binders of information. As John and I broused through the files; John found a crumpled piece of paper, with something inside it. It was a metal badge, from a former fireman when Carrick was a borough. John and I both felt that this item was not just rare But of "Historic" importance to the community. John immeadiately showed it to the libraian, asking if there was a "Secure" place where she could store it. As we looked at the collection of photos and news articals, we found that some pages were missing and / or shuffled somewhat as to page numbers. John commented that if all this stuff was loaded into computor format,... it would be easier to protect and collect. Old photos lay at the bottom of a drawer, perhaps they fell out or they were never identified and mounted. <br />
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Computors are not what I did for my living and I felt that my plan for a short letter to the neighbors;... had suddenly got me into much deeper waters than I had intended; We waded in anyway. John suggested that instead of saving our own copies, ( probobly reams of paper and info ) at our homes,…that we load it all ; into a website for anyone ( Not Just Hornaday residents ) to explore in their own time and leisure. So,... it was John who took me into this new and uncharted territory, with the website idea. <br />
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Often and Independently; we looked for maps and stuff on internet sites. I found the Historic Pittsburgh Project online. Among their sources and maps; was this survey map dated 1905 ( see Historic Pittsburgh project.> G.W. Hopkins maps, Southern Pittsburgh area ; plate 4 / Carrick)<br />
When I showed it to John it provided us with a few new details. There were very few structures in the area.<br />
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[[Image:1905 j.b.murray plan.jpg]] <br />
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It showed that a John Phillips had owned a piano shaped piece of land for his mansion when it faced Southern Ave.also known as Brownsville road; the Southern Road to Brownsville or The plank road It was a toll road, With 3 toll booths between Arlington ave.and Present day Concord school.<br />
Hornaday Road, did not exist according to the 1905 map , though plans for our homes and lots were done by a J.B.Murray in 1859, John Phillips only owned lots 1 thru 7. It should be easy for Hornaday residents to imagine “Our” road thru the center of his Homestead and Mansion on lot 3 and more property Eastward to the bend in Hornaday road at Rehman. The small structure on lot 1 is likely a stable and carrage house, see the photo of John Phillips Carrick mansion that follows soon.<br />
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(This down hill section lead to August Waldman's farm, where " Hornaday meets Dowling today and was called Waltman Street until >>1915 <br />
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From Pittsburgh to Brownsville Pennsylvania is approximately 42 miles. In those early years; Brownsville was on the first “National Road”; also known as route 40 today. It follows British General Braddock’s campaign trail into our area. It served as the first road to the west,(thru Pittsburgh),from ports along the Atlantic coast. Even Lewis and Clark began their epic explorations, from Pittsburgh’s three rivers. <br />
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As the map shows, John Phillips mansion and his property extended ; EASTWARD > to the Rehman family property from; Southern Ave. So, at one time, Before there was a Hornaday road; John Phillips owned an area that was eventually divided into 118 lots; for almost eighty homes and a church. His home was on the entire flat top area of what We now call; “Our Hornaday Road” or at least forty homes and addresses from 95 to 163. This section was a part of the "Phillips Manor lots", laid out in October of 1915, By John M. Phillips.( A nephew ) The origional plan included Scout Ave. down to one side of Madaline and Rehman. <br />
One revision to this plan was made in October of 1926. John M. Phillips, again laid out the "Phillips Manor revision", of lots 98 to 118 inclusive. In order to provide an alley ( Revision way ) and rear access to those homes. <br />
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By my guess-timate; Uncle John Phillips (see Mansion on lot 3) had about 18 acres in all. <br />
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Here are my assumptions and facts,> I added, lot6 of >[ 6 acres and 115 perches]and lot 7[> 6 acres and 42 perches ] = 12 acres + 157 perches,almost 13 acres for those two lots alone ; since 160 perches equals one acre. Without all dimensions for lots 1 > 5 that face Brownsville road between Agnew and Madeline; and two lots showing , 5.73 perches each ,….Assuming,…. those lots are equal and amount to > 28.65 perches > I guessed another 5.58 acres for lots 1 thru 5 ; where his home apparently sat .{160 perches equals one acre / which is 208.71 ft by / 208.71 = 43559.8641 sq. feet) <br />
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Next; We continued searching for details about Hornaday and other Phillips family members, at the John Heinz history center. We learned that the above mentioned; John Phillips was vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company; (Formerly known as Lewis and Phillips on the South side, at 12th street on the river.) His Mansion sat on lot 3 ; set back from Brownsville road (and it was centered, where Hornaday Road is now) His ”Governor’s style” curved driveway, was likely for his horse drawn carriage , curved away from his home to meet the streets; we NOW know as Agnew and Madeline. <br />
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At this time,(June 2008)I have not seen an official date for his home; for now;.. '''I will assume it may have been built after 1859 when I''' believe,... he bought this property from J.B.Murray. If not then, perhaps it was built; at some time before the Civil war.<br />
These street name changes will be explained later. <br />
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The number 1 Lot, near Philips Mansion is the Zion church property now. This map above; also shows Southern Ave./ also known as Brownsville road , Murray street in now called Madeline, on this map; Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew.<br />
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(More details of that area later.) <br />
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Until 1916, Dowling was called Stevenson St. Nine lots were laid out by the Carrick boro school directors on November 19th. 1915 . These lots sit on the up hill side of present day Dowling. <br />
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( ??/ I need to check ny notes and dates of zoning changes) <br />
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Rihman Heirs {note spelling change} >> ? Rehman street from Hornaday to Madaline was laid out with seven lots , on the eastern side of that street. Some name changes so far noticed have been due to ownership changes, But some others like Rehman from the origional Rihman; may be due to pronouncement variations at that time. Possibly these names were "Americanized" to resolve those possibilities. <br />
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Continuing the list of land owners involved with Hornaday Road at that time, We find the Bielau plan of lots beginning with addresses 201 downhill to approximately 229. The Bielau property was on the left / or North side of the down hill section , with Benarding down to Dowling street, note Concord school (number 3? of 5?) property on lot 11. <br />
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Bernarding owned lots adjoining these, additional odd numbered addresses 231 to 251? <br />
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Directly on the opposite/on the southern side were lots that were divided from August Waldman’s farm. In fact; this section of our road was called Waldman until several zoning changes were made in 1913. After our initial trip to the Recorder of deeds office ; John said that J.B.MURRAY owned this area at one time.Italic text Murray's origional plan was to connect Agnew and Hornaday road, with another 364 foot long section of Red rose. This would have made all three sections of Red rose;(1202 feet long)from end to end.<br />
But that would have required eliminating John Rudiaks lot and home at 219 Hornaday road, and another home on Agnew. <br />
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Eliza Weber owned all the lots on the eastern side of Redrose. At this time ten homes facing Redrose and perhaps four more facing Hornaday; share her original property. Roughly speaking, fourteen of the 22 addresses listed on this street seam to have been built by the same builder and many at about the same time; 1927. There are older homes, dated from 1876,1900,1904,1907 and 1910; if county records were always correct. <br />
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As shown on the accompanying plan of lots, William F Seiger owned approximately two acres which was divided into 14 parcels. Ten lots were on the western side of Redrose and four lots were to face Hornaday. Two homes, at 218 and 220 Hornaday were built on lots three and four. My home at 216 was built on lots one and two. <br />
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Prior to 1927, this area, was known as; Carrick borough; Lower Saint Clair and a part of The Baldwin township ; Carrick borough by a earlier dated local vote was officially annexed into the city of Pittsburgh ; in 1927. The Old and narrow borough building , is at 1808 Brownsville road , left of the old fire hall {More about “ it “later} Before 1927, Carrick already had the first sewerage system in western Pennsylvania; just step out to Hornaday road to see the Carrick Boro logos, that John Rudiak found and photographed, on our manhole covers. <br />
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A close examination of the Carrick post card photo of John Phillips home, [[Image:John Phillips Hornaday Homestead-1.jpg]]<br />
( provided by Carol Anthony ) reveals a platform and a telescope pointed skyward at the center of the roof. John Phillips had a son in 1864, named John. ( No middle initial ) At this point in time not much else; is known about him. <br />
John Rudiak has photographed many cemetary markers, in search of birth and death dates. Most likely this information will fall under bibliographies and or cemetary lists in due time.<br />
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John MacFarlane Phillips; ( Mentioned above ) is our connection to William T. Hornaday. John M. Phillips was not the son But a nephew of John Phillip’s; the vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company. A better explanation follows in the paragraph below, it is a direct copy from Mike Sajna, in his book “Buck Fever” see pg 69. <br />
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John MacFarlane Phillips was born February 15th. 1861. He was the son of James Phillips, one of the founders of the Oliver Iron and Steel Company, whose own father had come to Western Pennsylvania from Northern Ireland in 1795 to work as a blacksmith. Phillips attended public schools and then studied engineering and was made superintendent of the bolt works and forging plants of the Lewis Oliver and Phillip’s company. Later he became manager of the company’s mining equipment department and in 1899, with his Uncle John, purchased the company’s mine supply division and established the Phillip’s mine and Mill supply company. He was that company’s President one year later (1890) <br />
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{not bad I would say; at age 29 after starting at the south side company in 1880 from John Heinz history center sources} <br />
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At this point of my history search, I do not know exactly when, our man; “ John M ” Phillips and Hornaday met; I do know that He and Hornaday were hunting together in British Columbia in 1901. They were involved in many aspects of Game protection. The mad rush to the WEST, had nearly wiped out all fur bearers, most noteably; Buffalo and Beavers. <br />
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There are references in various news articles that John M. Had married at that time and took his new bride (Harriet Duff - Phillip’s) to a ranch, where she stayed for a month. Hornaday and Phillips were in Colorado by 1903, by 1906 Phillip’s was an illustrator for another of Hornaday’s many conservation minded books; “ Campfire in the Canadian Rockies ” <br />
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In 1907 they were in Mexico and as they had done before; Hornaday and Phillips donated even more animals from their hunts,for displays in Museums. At the Carnegie museum in Oakland, At least one of Phillips displays remains; in the hall of mammals; it is a glass enclosure of a family of Cheetahs. However, sharing time and common interests generally leads to more of the same. Their common interests; Zoos, conservation, camping and hunting helped bring these men together; there was a seven year age difference between them. Hornaday and Phillips realized that outdoor training and conservation / awareness would be fostered in youth thru Boy Scouting. They were not alone in their thinking. According to Mike Sajna; John MacFarlane Phillips organized the First Boy Scout troop in Pennsylvania, in 1910; it was the Second such troop in America. Phillip’s provided its members with a place to meet; in his home at 2336 Brownsville road. { At this point in time I am awaiting additional information , and // or confirmation of some of these details from a contact in the Pgh. Boy Scouts} Since February of 2008. This location is now the site of Saint Pias church, small remnants of the original “castellated” stone wall remains between the church and the New Concord School, But most likely ,… not for long.Italic text. In front of the Church the wall had been lowered But it returns to it’s original “castellated” height and location in front of the 1907 home to the right of the church. Phillips home was also used for the celebration of many church services until 1959. <br />
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In its borough days, Carrick also had the first filtered water supply in western Pennsylvania; with 180 pounds per square inch of pressure; coming from the South Pittsburgh water plant, located at Beck’s run. Carrick boro and its business men had already begun paving its streets and sidewalks; with planks of wood three inches thick. John MacFarlane Phillips; for the most part paid for two such sidewalks, they were from Becks Run , along Brownsville road to Mt Oliver. The first was four feet wide and the second was six feet wide. Once annexed into the city, some street names were changed to avoid duplication of existing street names,in use somewhere in Pittsburgh. Murray street became Madeline and the original bend in Murray Ave.{ Look between Mur ray’s R’s on the 1905 map} has since been straightened. Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew and was also a township road in The Baldwin township until 1927. Take a look at The Crailo plan, Southern Avenue land company on the 1905 map, Just north of Our homes. This area was owned by John Agnew, beginning with its narrow lots on the North side of the street that bears his name. One of my early assumptions about this area; have been proved correct, this fifty two acre parcel of land; was given to John Agnew and his wife; by her father. Agnew and Chambers operated a glass works there. I contacted, Susan Buyers; An Agnew relative to ask if Agnew and Chambers had taken over Englert glass; the first glass factory in Pittsburgh. She did NOT verify that question. But If she had , another early historic puzzle piece would fall into place. Since the name Englertville was the local name prior to 1753 and when Doctor Brown set up the first post office naming it Carrick after his home town of Carrick au Suir, in Tipperary Ireland. <br />
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John Agnew’s new home, likely faced the Southern road, ( Brownsville road ) after looking at a drawing of that house, I Assume;… for the moment ; that it sat where the BP gas station is today. If Agnew also had his South Side glass factory, this older Englert site was razed and resold in small lots; perhaps many of these new residents; were employee’s at his South Side glass works. The Concord church shown on this 1905 map is the “Stone” church where we vote. The original Concord church was a “ Wooden ” church, Both of the “ Concord churches “ will show on another survey map, available at Historic Pittsburgh; dated 1916. See the photo of the wooden church below. It was moved away from Brownsville road, Perhaps by Eichley { as they are World Famous for such things } of Pittsburgh but sat for a time in what is now their parking lot. It was used as a high school. Please note that I have included only ;...small portions of the maps available at Historic Pittsburgh.Italic text <br />
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The convent of Passionist nuns , in the photo above is located at 2700 Churchview Avenue at Spencer. <br />
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The map to follow displays name and neighborhood changes since 1905. This map section is from Concord church and north. On this map, also from 1905, you can see that there were four “ island ;.. flower planters” on THE Boulevard. Looking South / down from there you can see the name Phillips ave. and not, East Meyers Avenue. <br />
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<div>An Introduction and short History of the Carrick Overbrook Historical Society<br />
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"My", First order of business; "The Hornaday road report."<br />
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John Rudiak and I, { Joe Krynock } were talking at the 2007 Hornaday Road, block party. John mentioned that he was going to the Recorder of Deeds office to research deed information for his home and for his daughter’s home, also in Carrick. Since I wanted to explore my homes past and to determine a build date for my place, John and I planned to go there together. I had researched deeds before But that seamed long ago. As we talked more during the block party, other neighbors mentioned historic info about their homes or rumored information of "OUR" neighborhood. Yet not many knew specific details for sure. Since John had already been living here; when I moved into Carrick. (in 1982) I asked John, if he knew any historic details about Hornaday Road.<br />
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"Not really" he said. <br />
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I told him that A Pittsburgh "Councilman” named Phillips was a friend of William T. Hornaday. In fact; when they were not hunting together, they promoted stuff like Boy Scouting, better zoos and conservation.<br />
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“This Hornaday?, John asked “Who was he?”.<br />
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So, I told him; " William T. Hornaday was a Conservation minded Writer But He was also a taxidermist and the director;.. at the Bronx zoo ."<br />
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"How did you find that?” John asked.<br />
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“Honestly, by accident! Years ago; I bought a bargain priced book; called “Buck fever”, mostly because it written by Mike Sajna, { now deceased } a name I recognised. Mike Sajna's book was printed by the University of Pittsburgh Press. It was about deer hunting and Pennsylvania Game Commission history. I stated that I wanted to expand on,that small bit of information,... Someday!"<br />
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John said," Well,you are retired!"<br />
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I went to bed with that thought in my head. The next morning, (after the "Late night Party") ; I found my copy of “Buck fever” and re-read pages 68 to 78 to refresh my memory. Then I sent this e mail to John on Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:01:16 AM Subject: Hornaday history;<br />
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Hey John, Perhaps we could collaborate on a Hornaday history, A kind of story or report; ( Hopefully / certainly it would be done ),..before the next block party; in 2008 . JOE K<br />
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With these few clues we started “OUR” search on August 20th 2007. John and I started at the Recorder of Deeds office downtown. We researched thru many Deed books to track our property records. We spent most of a day there; without trying to find his dayghters deed info. In the process; John found some information about J.B.Murray's housing plan; and had copies made for our later referance. Murray's housing plan, had been aid out in December of 1859.<br />
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and information was related to '''all of the homes and owners in the area; "IT" raised questions and eyebrows.'''<br />
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A short time later, We went to the local library. We asked if they had any local or Historical information there. They did, the librarian on duty showed us where to begin. Quite quickly we were surprised. Aparently a man named Joe Spiceker??? who lives on Agnew , Had been archiving items for close to twenty years already and had assembled many binders of information. As John and I broused through the files; John found a crumpled piece of paper, with something inside it. It was a metal badge, from a former fireman when Carrick was a borough. John and I both felt that this item was not just rare But of "Historic" importance to the community. John immeadiately showed it to the libraian, asking if there was a "Secure" place where she could store it. As we looked at the collection of photos and news articals, we found that some were missing and / or shuffled somewhat as to page numbers. John commented that if all this stuff was loaded into computor format,... it would be easier to protect and collect. Old photos lay at the bottom of a drawer, perhaps they fell out or they were never identified and mounted. <br />
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'''Computors are not''' what I did for my living and I felt that my plan for a short letter to the neighbors;... had suddenly got me into much deeper waters than I had intended; We waded in anyway. John suggested that instead of saving our own copies, ( probobly reams of paper and info ) at our homes,…that we load it all ; into a website for anyone ( Not Just Hornaday residents ) to explore in their own time and leisure. So,... it was John who took me into this new and uncharted territory, with the website idea.<br />
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Often and Independently; we looked for maps and stuff on internet sites. I found the Historic Pittsburgh Project online. Among their sources and maps; was this survey map dated 1905 and I showed it to John. It showed that a John Phillips had owned a piano shaped piece of land for “ his mansion ” when it faced the Southern Ave. ( also known as Brownsville road ; the Southern Road ” or “ The plank road, and /or the toll road”} With 3 toll booths between Arlington ave. and Present day Concord school. <br />
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From Pittsburgh to Brownsville Pennsylvania is approximately 42 miles. In those early years; Brownsville was on the first “ National Road ”; known as route 40 today. It follows British General Braddock’s campaign trail into our area. It served as the first road to the west, (thru Pittsburgh), from ports along the Atlantic coast. Even Lewis and Clark began their epic explorations, from Pittsburgh’s three rivers.<br />
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As the map shows, John Phillips mansion and his property extended ; EASTWARD > to the Rehman family property from; ” The Southern Ave." So, at one time, Before there was a “Hornaday road“; John Phillips owned an area that was eventually divided into lots for eighty homes. His home was on the entire flat top area of what We now call; “ Our Hornaday Road ” or at least those of us; with homes and addresses from 95 to 163. This section was a part of the "Phillips Manor lots", laid out in October of 1915, By John M. Phillips. The origional plan included Scout Ave. down to one side of Madaline and Rehman.<br />
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In October of 1926, John M. Phillips ( A nephew ) once again laid out the Phillips Manor revision, of lots 98 to 118 inclusive. In order to provide an alley way ( Revision way ) and rear access to those homes.<br />
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By my guess-timate; Uncle;.. ; '''John Phillips''' had about 18 acres in all. <br />
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Here are my assumptions and facts,> I added, lot6 of >[ 6 acres and 115 perches]and lot 7[> 6 acres and 42 perches ] = 12 acres + 157 perches,almost 13 acres for those two lots alone ; since 160 perches equals one acre. Without all dimensions for lots 1 > 5 that face Brownsville road between Agnew and Madeline; and two lots showing , 5.73 perches each ,….Assuming,…. those lots are equal and amount to > 28.65 perches > I guessed another 5.58 acres for lots 1 thru 5 ; where his home apparently sat .{160 perches equals one acre / which is 208.71 ft by / 208.71 = 43559.8641 sq. feet)<br />
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Next ; We continued searching for details about Hornaday and other Phillips family members, at the John Heinz history center. We learned that the above mentioned; '''John Phillips''' was vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company ( Formerly known as Lewis and Phillips on the South side, at 12th street on the river .) His Mansion sat on lot 3 ; set back from Brownsville road ( and it was centered,.. where Hornaday Road is now )and his ”Governor’s style” curved driveway, was likely for his horse drawn carriage , curved away from his home to meet the streets; we NOW know as Agnew and Madeline.<br />
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At this time, ( June 2008 ) I have not seen an official date for his home; for now;.. I will assume it may have been built about the time of the Civil war. <br />
These street name changes will be explained later.<br />
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The number 1 Lot, near Philips Mansion is the Zion church property now. This map above; also shows Southern Ave./ also known as Brownsville road , Murray street in now called Madeline, on this map; Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew. (More details of that area later.) <br />
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Hornaday Road, did not exist according to this @ 1905 map , though plans for our homes and lots were done by a J.B.Murray in 1859, John Phillips only owned lots 1 thru 7. It should be easy for Hornaday residents to imagine “Our” road thru the center of his Homestead / Mansion and property Eastward to the bend in Hornaday road and then downhill; beginning at Rehman. (This section lead down hill to August Waldman's farm, where " Hornaday meets Dowling and was called '''Waltman Street''' until '''>>1915 ? <br />
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Until 1916, Dowling was called Stevenson St. Nine lots were laid out by the Carrick boro school directors on November 19th. 1915 . These lots sit on the up hill side of present day Dowling.<br />
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( ??/ I need to check ny notes and dates of zoning changes''')<br />
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Rihman Heirs {note spelling change} >> ? Rehman street from Hornaday to Madaline was laid out with seven lots , on the eastern side of that street. Some name changes so far noticed have been due to ownership changes, But some others like Rehman from the origional Rihman; may be due to pronouncement variations at that time. Possibly these names were "Americanized" to resolve those possibilities.<br />
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Continuing the list of land owners involved with Hornaday Road at that time, We find the Bielau plan of lots beginning with addresses 201 downhill to approximately 229. The Bielau property was on the left / or North side of the down hill section , with Benarding down to Dowling street, note Concord school (number 3? of 5?) property on lot 11.<br />
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Bernarding owned lots adjoining these, additional odd numbered addresses 231 to 251?<br />
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Directly on the opposite / on the southern side were lots that were divided from August Waldman’s farm. In fact; this section of our road was called Waldman until several zoning changes were made in 1913. '''John said that J.B.MURRAY owned this area at one time.'''''Italic text'' His origional plan was to connect Agnew and Hornaday road, with another 364 foot long section of Red rose/road. This would have made all three sections of Red rose;(1202 feet long)in all. But that would have required eliminating John Rudiaks lot and home at 219 Hornaday road, and another home on Agnew.<br />
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Eliza Weber owned all the lots on the eastern side of Redrose. At this time ten homes facing Redrose and perhaps four more facing Hornaday; share her original property. Roughly speaking, fourteen of the 22 addresses listed on this street seam to have been built by the same builder and many at about the same time; 1927.<br />
There are older homes, dated from 1876,1900,1904,1907 and 1910; if county records were always correct.<br />
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As shown on the accompanying plan of lots, William F Seiger owned approximately two acres which was divided into 14 parcels. Ten lots were on the western side of Redrose and four lots were to face Hornaday. Two homes, at 218 and 220 Hornaday were built on lots three and four. My home at 216 was built on lots one and two.<br />
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Prior to 1927, this area, was known as; Carrick borough; Lower Saint Clair and a part of The Baldwin township ; Carrick borough by a earlier dated local vote was officially annexed into the city of Pittsburgh ; in 1927. The Old and narrow borough building , is at 1808 Brownsville road , left of the old fire hall {More about “ it “later} Before 1927, Carrick already had the first sewerage system in western Pennsylvania; just step out to Hornaday road to see the Carrick Boro logos, that John Rudiak found and photographed, on our manhole covers. <br />
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A close examination of the Carrick post card photo of John Phillips home, ( provided by Carol Anthony ) reveals a platform and a telescope pointed skyward at the center of the roof. John Phillips had a son in 1864, named John. ( No middle initial ) At this point in time not much else; is known about him.<br />
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John MacFarlane Phillips; ( Mentioned above ) is our connection to William T. Hornaday. John M. Phillips was not the son But a nephew of John Phillip’s; the vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company. A better explanation follows in the paragraph below, it is a direct copy from Mike Sajna, in his book “Buck Fever” see pg 69.<br />
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John MacFarlane Phillips was born February 15th. 1861. He was the son of James Phillips, one of the founders of the Oliver Iron and Steel Company, whose own father had come to Western Pennsylvania from Northern Ireland in 1795 to work as a blacksmith. Phillips attended public schools and then studied engineering and was made superintendent of the bolt works and forging plants of the Lewis Oliver and Phillip’s company. Later he became manager of the company’s mining equipment department and in 1899, with his Uncle John, purchased the company’s mine supply division and established the Phillip’s mine and Mill supply company. He was that company’s President one year later (1890)<br />
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{not bad I would say; at age 29 after starting at the south side company in 1880 from John Heinz history center sources} <br />
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At this point of my history search, I do not know exactly when, our man; “ John M ” Phillips and Hornaday met; I do know that He and Hornaday were hunting together in British Columbia in 1901. They were involved in many aspects of Game protection. The mad rush to the WEST, had nearly wiped out all fur bearers, most noteably; Buffalo and Beavers.<br />
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There are references in various news articles that John M. Had married at that time and took his new bride (Harriet Duff - Phillip’s) to a ranch, where she stayed for a month. Hornaday and Phillips were in Colorado by 1903, by 1906 Phillip’s was an illustrator for another of Hornaday’s many conservation minded books; “ Campfire in the Canadian Rockies ”<br />
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In 1907 they were in Mexico and as they had done before; Hornaday and Phillips donated even more animals from their hunts,for displays in Museums. At the Carnegie museum in Oakland, At least one of Phillips displays remains; in the hall of mammals; it is a glass enclosure of a family of Cheetahs. However, sharing time and common interests generally leads to more of the same. Their common interests; Zoos, conservation, camping and hunting helped bring these men together; there was a seven year age difference between them. Hornaday and Phillips realized that outdoor training and conservation / awareness would be fostered in youth thru Boy Scouting. They were not alone in their thinking. <br />
According to Mike Sajna; John MacFarlane Phillips organized the First Boy Scout troop in Pennsylvania, in 1910; it was the Second such troop in America. Phillip’s provided its members with a place to meet; in his home at 2336 Brownsville road. { At this point in time I am awaiting additional information , and // or confirmation of some of these details from a contact in the Pgh. Boy Scouts} Since February of 2008. This location is now the site of Saint Piax church, small remnants of the original “castellated” stone wall remains between the church and the New Concord School, '''But most likely ,… not for long.'''''Italic text''. In front of the Church the wall had been lowered But it returns to it’s original “castellated” height and location in front of the 1907 home to the right of the church. Phillips home was also used for the celebration of many church services until 1959.<br />
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In its borough days, Carrick also had the first filtered water supply in western Pennsylvania; with 180 pounds per square inch of pressure; coming from the South Pittsburgh water plant, located at Beck’s run. Carrick boro and its business men had already begun paving its streets and sidewalks; with planks of wood three inches thick. John MacFarlane Phillips; for the most part paid for two such sidewalks, they were from Becks Run , along Brownsville road to Mt Oliver. The first was four feet wide and the second was six feet wide. Once annexed into the city, some street names were changed to avoid duplication of existing street names,in use somewhere in Pittsburgh. Murray street became Madeline and the original bend in Murray Ave.{ Look between Mur ray’s R’s on the 1905 map} has since been straightened. Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew and was also a township road in The Baldwin township until 1927. Take a look at The Crailo plan, Southern Avenue land company on the 1905 map, Just north of Our homes. This area was owned by John Agnew, beginning with its narrow lots on the North side of the street that bears his name. One of my early assumptions about this area; have been proved correct, this fifty two acre parcel of land; was given to John Agnew and his wife; by her father. Agnew and Chambers operated a glass works there. I contacted, Susan Buyers; An Agnew relative to ask if Agnew and Chambers had taken over Englert glass; the first glass factory in Pittsburgh. She did '''NOT verify''' that question. But If she had , another early historic puzzle piece would fall into place. Since the name Englertville was the local name prior to 1753 and when Doctor Brown set up the first post office naming it Carrick after his home town of Carrick au Suir, in Tipperary Ireland. <br />
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John Agnew’s new home, likely faced the Southern road, ( Brownsville road ) after looking at a drawing of that house, I Assume;… for the moment ; that it sat where the BP gas station is today. If Agnew also had his South Side glass factory, this older Englert site was razed and resold in small lots; perhaps many of these new residents; were employee’s at his South Side glass works. The Concord church shown on this 1905 map is the “Stone” church where we vote. The original Concord church was a “ Wooden ” church, Both of the “ Concord churches “ will show on another survey map, available at Historic Pittsburgh; dated 1916. See the photo of the wooden church below. It was moved away from Brownsville road, Perhaps by Eichley { as they are World Famous for such things } of Pittsburgh but sat for a time in what is now their parking lot. It was used as a high school. '''Please note that I have included only ;...small portions of the maps available at Historic Pittsburgh.'''''Italic text'' <br />
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The convent of Passionist nuns , in the photo above is located at 2700 Churchview Avenue at Spencer.<br />
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The map to follow displays name and neighbor hood changes since 1905. This map section is from Concord church and north. On this map, also from 1905, you can see that there were four “ island ;.. flower planters” on THE Boulevard. Looking South / down from there you can see the name Phillips ave. and not, East Meyers Avenue.</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=User:Jkrynock&diff=96User:Jkrynock2008-06-26T15:57:18Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
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<div>An Introduction and short History of the Carrick Overbrook Historical Society<br />
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"My", First order of business; "The Hornaday road report."<br />
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John Rudiak and I, { Joe Krynock } were talking at the 2007 Hornaday Road, block party. John mentioned that he was going to the Recorder of Deeds office to research deed information for his home and for his daughter’s home, also in Carrick. Since I wanted to explore my homes past and to determine a build date for my place, John and I planned to go there together. I had researched deeds before But that seamed long ago. As we talked more during the block party, other neighbors mentioned historic info about their homes or rumored information of "OUR" neighborhood. Yet not many knew specific details for sure. Since John had already been living here; when I moved into Carrick. (in 1982) I asked John, if he knew any historic details about Hornaday Road.<br />
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"Not really" he said. <br />
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I told him that A Pittsburgh "Councilman” named Phillips was a friend of William T. Hornaday. In fact; when they were not hunting together, they promoted stuff like Boy Scouting, better zoos and conservation.<br />
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“This Hornaday?, John asked “Who was he?”.<br />
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So, I told him; " William T. Hornaday was a Conservation minded Writer But He was also a taxidermist and the director;.. at the Bronx zoo ."<br />
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"How did you find that?” John asked.<br />
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“Honestly, by accident! Years ago; I bought a bargain priced book; called “Buck fever”, mostly because it written by Mike Sajna, { now deceased } a name I recognised. Mike Sajna's book was printed by the University of Pittsburgh Press. It was about deer hunting and Pennsylvania Game Commission history. I stated that I wanted to expand on,that small bit of information,... Someday!"<br />
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John said," Well,you are retired!"<br />
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I went to bed with that thought in my head. The next morning, (after the "Late night Party") ; I found my copy of “Buck fever” and re-read pages 68 to 78 to refresh my memory. Then I sent this e mail to John on Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:01:16 AM Subject: Hornaday history;<br />
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Hey John, Perhaps we could collaborate on a Hornaday history, A kind of story or report; ( Hopefully / certainly it would be done ),..before the next block party; in 2008 . JOE K<br />
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With these few clues we started “OUR” search @ August 20th 2007. John and I started at the Recorder of Deeds office downtown. We researched thru many Deed books to track our property records. We spent most of a day there; without trying to find his dayghters deed info. In the process; John found some information about J.B.Murray's housing plan; and had copies made for our later referance. Murray's housing plan, had been aid out in December of 1859. This map and information was related to '''all of the homes and owners in the area; "IT" raised questions and eyebrows.'''<br />
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A short time later, We went to the local library. We asked if they had any local or Historical information there. They did, the librarian on duty showed us where to begin. Quite quickly we were surprised. Aparently a man named Joe Spiceker??? who lives on Agnew , Had been archiving items for close to twenty years already and had assembled many binders of information. As John and I broused through the files; John found a crumpled piece of paper, with something inside it. It was a metal badge, from a former fireman when Carrick was a borough. John and I both felt that this item was not just rare But of "Historic" importance to the community. John immeadiately showed it to the libraian, asking if there was a "Secure" place where she could store it. As we looked at the collection of photos and news articals, we found that some were missing and / or shuffled somewhat as to page numbers. John commented that if all this stuff was loaded into computor format,... it would be easier to protect and collect. Old photos lay at the bottom of a drawer, perhaps they fell out or they were never identified and mounted. <br />
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'''Computors are not''' what I did for my living and I felt that my plan for a short letter to the neighbors;... had suddenly got me into much deeper waters than I had intended; We waded in anyway. John suggested that instead of saving our own copies, ( probobly reams of paper and info ) at our homes,…that we load it all ; into a website for anyone ( Not Just Hornaday residents ) to explore in their own time and leisure. So,... it was John who took me into this new and uncharted territory, with the website idea.<br />
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Often and Independently; we looked for maps and stuff on internet sites. I found the Historic Pittsburgh Project online. Among their sources and maps; was this survey map dated 1905 and I showed it to John. It showed that a John Phillips had owned a piano shaped piece of land for “ his mansion ” when it faced the Southern Ave. ( also known as Brownsville road ; the Southern Road ” or “ The plank road, and /or the toll road”} With 3 toll booths between Arlington ave. and Present day Concord school. <br />
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From Pittsburgh to Brownsville Pennsylvania is approximately 42 miles. In those early years; Brownsville was on the first “ National Road ”; known as route 40 today. It follows British General Braddock’s campaign trail into our area. It served as the first road to the west, (thru Pittsburgh), from ports along the Atlantic coast. Even Lewis and Clark began their epic explorations, from Pittsburgh’s three rivers.<br />
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As the map shows, John Phillips mansion and his property extended ; EASTWARD > to the Rehman family property from; ” The Southern Ave." So, at one time, Before there was a “Hornaday road“; John Phillips owned an area that was eventually divided into lots for eighty homes. His home was on the entire flat top area of what We now call; “ Our Hornaday Road ” or at least those of us; with homes and addresses from 95 to 163. This section was a part of the "Phillips Manor lots", laid out in October of 1915, By John M. Phillips. The origional plan included Scout Ave. down to one side of Madaline and Rehman.<br />
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In October of 1926, John M. Phillips ( A nephew ) once again laid out the Phillips Manor revision, of lots 98 to 118 inclusive. In order to provide an alley way ( Revision way ) and rear access to those homes.<br />
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By my guess-timate; Uncle;.. ; '''John Phillips''' had about 18 acres in all. <br />
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Here are my assumptions and facts,> I added, lot6 of >[ 6 acres and 115 perches]and lot 7[> 6 acres and 42 perches ] = 12 acres + 157 perches,almost 13 acres for those two lots alone ; since 160 perches equals one acre. Without all dimensions for lots 1 > 5 that face Brownsville road between Agnew and Madeline; and two lots showing , 5.73 perches each ,….Assuming,…. those lots are equal and amount to > 28.65 perches > I guessed another 5.58 acres for lots 1 thru 5 ; where his home apparently sat .{160 perches equals one acre / which is 208.71 ft by / 208.71 = 43559.8641 sq. feet)<br />
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Next ; We continued searching for details about Hornaday and other Phillips family members, at the John Heinz history center. We learned that the above mentioned; '''John Phillips''' was vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company ( Formerly known as Lewis and Phillips on the South side, at 12th street on the river .) His Mansion sat on lot 3 ; set back from Brownsville road ( and it was centered,.. where Hornaday Road is now )and his ”Governor’s style” curved driveway, was likely for his horse drawn carriage , curved away from his home to meet the streets; we NOW know as Agnew and Madeline.<br />
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At this time, ( June 2008 ) I have not seen an official date for his home; for now;.. I will assume it may have been built about the time of the Civil war. <br />
These street name changes will be explained later.<br />
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The number 1 Lot, near Philips Mansion is the Zion church property now. This map above; also shows Southern Ave./ also known as Brownsville road , Murray street in now called Madeline, on this map; Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew. (More details of that area later.) <br />
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Hornaday Road, did not exist according to this @ 1905 map , though plans for our homes and lots were done by a J.B.Murray in 1859, John Phillips only owned lots 1 thru 7. It should be easy for Hornaday residents to imagine “Our” road thru the center of his Homestead / Mansion and property Eastward to the bend in Hornaday road and then downhill; beginning at Rehman. (This section lead down hill to August Waldman's farm, where " Hornaday meets Dowling and was called '''Waltman Street''' until '''>>1915 ? <br />
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Until 1916, Dowling was called Stevenson St. Nine lots were laid out by the Carrick boro school directors on November 19th. 1915 . These lots sit on the up hill side of present day Dowling.<br />
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( ??/ I need to check ny notes and dates of zoning changes''')<br />
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Rihman Heirs {note spelling change} >> ? Rehman street from Hornaday to Madaline was laid out with seven lots , on the eastern side of that street. Some name changes so far noticed have been due to ownership changes, But some others like Rehman from the origional Rihman; may be due to pronouncement variations at that time. Possibly these names were "Americanized" to resolve those possibilities.<br />
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Continuing the list of land owners involved with Hornaday Road at that time, We find the Bielau plan of lots beginning with addresses 201 downhill to approximately 229. The Bielau property was on the left / or North side of the down hill section , with Benarding down to Dowling street, note Concord school (number 3? of 5?) property on lot 11.<br />
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Bernarding owned lots adjoining these, additional odd numbered addresses 231 to 251?<br />
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Directly on the opposite / on the southern side were lots that were divided from August Waldman’s farm. In fact; this section of our road was called Waldman until several zoning changes were made in 1913. '''John said that J.B.MURRAY owned this area at one time.'''''Italic text'' His origional plan was to connect Agnew and Hornaday road, with another 364 foot long section of Red rose/road. This would have made all three sections of Red rose;(1202 feet long)in all. But that would have required eliminating John Rudiaks lot and home at 219 Hornaday road, and another home on Agnew.<br />
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Eliza Weber owned all the lots on the eastern side of Redrose. At this time ten homes facing Redrose and perhaps four more facing Hornaday; share her original property. Roughly speaking, fourteen of the 22 addresses listed on this street seam to have been built by the same builder and many at about the same time; 1927.<br />
There are older homes, dated from 1876,1900,1904,1907 and 1910; if county records were always correct.<br />
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As shown on the accompanying plan of lots, William F Seiger owned approximately two acres which was divided into 14 parcels. Ten lots were on the western side of Redrose and four lots were to face Hornaday. Two homes, at 218 and 220 Hornaday were built on lots three and four. My home at 216 was built on lots one and two.<br />
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Prior to 1927, this area, was known as; Carrick borough; Lower Saint Clair and a part of The Baldwin township ; Carrick borough by a earlier dated local vote was officially annexed into the city of Pittsburgh ; in 1927. The Old and narrow borough building , is at 1808 Brownsville road , left of the old fire hall {More about “ it “later} Before 1927, Carrick already had the first sewerage system in western Pennsylvania; just step out to Hornaday road to see the Carrick Boro logos, that John Rudiak found and photographed, on our manhole covers. <br />
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A close examination of the Carrick post card photo of John Phillips home, ( provided by Carol Anthony ) reveals a platform and a telescope pointed skyward at the center of the roof. John Phillips had a son in 1864, named John. ( No middle initial ) At this point in time not much else; is known about him.<br />
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John MacFarlane Phillips; ( Mentioned above ) is our connection to William T. Hornaday. John M. Phillips was not the son But a nephew of John Phillip’s; the vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company. A better explanation follows in the paragraph below, it is a direct copy from Mike Sajna, in his book “Buck Fever” see pg 69.<br />
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John MacFarlane Phillips was born February 15th. 1861. He was the son of James Phillips, one of the founders of the Oliver Iron and Steel Company, whose own father had come to Western Pennsylvania from Northern Ireland in 1795 to work as a blacksmith. Phillips attended public schools and then studied engineering and was made superintendent of the bolt works and forging plants of the Lewis Oliver and Phillip’s company. Later he became manager of the company’s mining equipment department and in 1899, with his Uncle John, purchased the company’s mine supply division and established the Phillip’s mine and Mill supply company. He was that company’s President one year later (1890)<br />
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{not bad I would say; at age 29 after starting at the south side company in 1880 from John Heinz history center sources} <br />
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At this point of my history search, I do not know exactly when, our man; “ John M ” Phillips and Hornaday met; I do know that He and Hornaday were hunting together in British Columbia in 1901. They were involved in many aspects of Game protection. The mad rush to the WEST, had nearly wiped out all fur bearers, most noteably; Buffalo and Beavers.<br />
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There are references in various news articles that John M. Had married at that time and took his new bride (Harriet Duff - Phillip’s) to a ranch, where she stayed for a month. Hornaday and Phillips were in Colorado by 1903, by 1906 Phillip’s was an illustrator for another of Hornaday’s many conservation minded books; “ Campfire in the Canadian Rockies ”<br />
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In 1907 they were in Mexico and as they had done before; Hornaday and Phillips donated even more animals from their hunts,for displays in Museums. At the Carnegie museum in Oakland, At least one of Phillips displays remains; in the hall of mammals; it is a glass enclosure of a family of Cheetahs. However, sharing time and common interests generally leads to more of the same. Their common interests; Zoos, conservation, camping and hunting helped bring these men together; there was a seven year age difference between them. Hornaday and Phillips realized that outdoor training and conservation / awareness would be fostered in youth thru Boy Scouting. They were not alone in their thinking. <br />
According to Mike Sajna; John MacFarlane Phillips organized the First Boy Scout troop in Pennsylvania, in 1910; it was the Second such troop in America. Phillip’s provided its members with a place to meet; in his home at 2336 Brownsville road. { At this point in time I am awaiting additional information , and // or confirmation of some of these details from a contact in the Pgh. Boy Scouts} Since February of 2008. This location is now the site of Saint Piax church, small remnants of the original “castellated” stone wall remains between the church and the New Concord School, '''But most likely ,… not for long.'''''Italic text''. In front of the Church the wall had been lowered But it returns to it’s original “castellated” height and location in front of the 1907 home to the right of the church. Phillips home was also used for the celebration of many church services until 1959.<br />
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In its borough days, Carrick also had the first filtered water supply in western Pennsylvania; with 180 pounds per square inch of pressure; coming from the South Pittsburgh water plant, located at Beck’s run. Carrick boro and its business men had already begun paving its streets and sidewalks; with planks of wood three inches thick. John MacFarlane Phillips; for the most part paid for two such sidewalks, they were from Becks Run , along Brownsville road to Mt Oliver. The first was four feet wide and the second was six feet wide. Once annexed into the city, some street names were changed to avoid duplication of existing street names,in use somewhere in Pittsburgh. Murray street became Madeline and the original bend in Murray Ave.{ Look between Mur ray’s R’s on the 1905 map} has since been straightened. Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew and was also a township road in The Baldwin township until 1927. Take a look at The Crailo plan, Southern Avenue land company on the 1905 map, Just north of Our homes. This area was owned by John Agnew, beginning with its narrow lots on the North side of the street that bears his name. One of my early assumptions about this area; have been proved correct, this fifty two acre parcel of land; was given to John Agnew and his wife; by her father. Agnew and Chambers operated a glass works there. I contacted, Susan Buyers; An Agnew relative to ask if Agnew and Chambers had taken over Englert glass; the first glass factory in Pittsburgh. She did '''NOT verify''' that question. But If she had , another early historic puzzle piece would fall into place. Since the name Englertville was the local name prior to 1753 and when Doctor Brown set up the first post office naming it Carrick after his home town of Carrick au Suir, in Tipperary Ireland. <br />
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John Agnew’s new home, likely faced the Southern road, ( Brownsville road ) after looking at a drawing of that house, I Assume;… for the moment ; that it sat where the BP gas station is today. If Agnew also had his South Side glass factory, this older Englert site was razed and resold in small lots; perhaps many of these new residents; were employee’s at his South Side glass works. The Concord church shown on this 1905 map is the “Stone” church where we vote. The original Concord church was a “ Wooden ” church, Both of the “ Concord churches “ will show on another survey map, available at Historic Pittsburgh; dated 1916. See the photo of the wooden church below. It was moved away from Brownsville road, Perhaps by Eichley { as they are World Famous for such things } of Pittsburgh but sat for a time in what is now their parking lot. It was used as a high school. '''Please note that I have included only ;...small portions of the maps available at Historic Pittsburgh.'''''Italic text'' <br />
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The convent of Passionist nuns , in the photo above is located at 2700 Churchview Avenue at Spencer.<br />
<br />
The map to follow displays name and neighbor hood changes since 1905. This map section is from Concord church and north. On this map, also from 1905, you can see that there were four “ island ;.. flower planters” on THE Boulevard. Looking South / down from there you can see the name Phillips ave. and not, East Meyers Avenue.</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=User:Jkrynock&diff=95User:Jkrynock2008-06-26T11:57:17Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
<hr />
<div>An Introduction and short History of the Carrick Overbrook Historical Society<br />
<br />
"My", First order of business; "The Hornaday road report."<br />
<br />
John Rudiak and I, { Joe Krynock } were talking at the 2007 Hornaday Road, block party. John mentioned that he was going to the Recorder of Deeds office to research deed information for his home and for his daughter’s home, also in Carrick. Since I wanted to explore my homes past and to determine a build date for my place, John and I planned to go there together. I had researched deeds before But that seamed long ago. As we talked more during the block party, other neighbors mentioned historic info about their homes or rumored information of "OUR" neighborhood. Yet no one knew that many things for sure. Since John had already been living here; when I moved into Carrick. (in 1982) I asked John, if he knew any historic details about Hornaday Road.<br />
<br />
"Not really" he said. <br />
<br />
I told him that A Pittsburgh "Councilman” named Phillips was a friend of William T. Hornaday. In fact; when they were not hunting together, they promoted stuff like Boy Scouting, better zoos and conservation.<br />
<br />
“This Hornaday?, John asked “Who was he?”.<br />
<br />
So, I told him; " William T. Hornaday was a Conservation minded Writer But He was also a taxidermist and the director;.. at the Bronx zoo ."<br />
<br />
"How did you find that?” John asked.<br />
<br />
“Honestly, by accident! Years ago; I bought a bargain priced book; called “Buck fever”, mostly because it written by Mike Sajna,{now deceased} a name I recognised. Mike Sajna's book was printed by the University of Pittsburgh Press. It was about deer hunting and Pennsylvania Game Commission history. I stated that I wanted to expand on,that small bit of information,... Someday!"<br />
<br />
John said," Well,you are retired!"<br />
<br />
I went to bed with that thought in my head. The next morning, (after the "Late night Party") ; I found my copy of “Buck fever” and re-read pages 68 to 78 to refresh my memory. Then I sent this e mail to John on Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:01:16 AM Subject: Hornaday history;<br />
<br />
Hey John, Perhaps we could collaborate on a Hornaday history, A kind of story or report; (Hopefully /certainly it would be done),..before the next; 2008 block party. JOE K<br />
<br />
With these few clues we started “OUR” search @ August 20th 2007. John and I started at the Recorder of Deeds office downtown. We researched thru many Deed books to track our property records. In the process; John found some information about J.B.Murray's housing plan; laid out in December of 1859. This map and information was related to all of the homes and owners in the area; "IT" raised questions and eyebrows.<br />
<br />
A short time later, We went to the local library. We asked if they had any local or Historical information there. They did, the librarian on duty showed us where to begin. Quite quickly we were surprised. Aparently a man named Joe Spiceker??? from Agnew ave. Had been archiving items for close to twenty years already and had assembled many binders of information. As John and I broused through the files; John found a crumpled piece of paper, with something inside it. It was a metal badge, from a former fireman when Carrick was a borough. John and I both felt that this item was not just rare But of "Historic" importance to the community. John immeadiately showed it to the libraian, asking if there was a "Secure" place where she could store it. As we looked at the collection of photos and news articals, we found that some were missing and / or shuffled somewhat as to page numbers. John commented that if all this stuff was loaded into computor format,... it would be easier to protect and collect. Old photos lay at the bottom of a drawer, perhaps they fell out or they were never identified and mounted. <br />
<br />
'''Computors are not''' what I did for my living and I felt that my plan for a short letter to the neighbors;... had suddenly got me into much deeper waters than I had intended; We waded in anyway. John suggested that instead of saving our own copies, (probobly reams of paper and info) at our homes,…that we load it all ; into a website for anyone ( Not Just Hornaday residents ) to explore in their own time and leisure. So,... it was John who took me into this new and uncharted territory, with the website idea.<br />
<br />
Often and Independently; we looked for maps and stuff on internet sites. I found the Historic Pittsburgh Project online. Among their sources and maps; was this survey map dated 1905 and I showed it to John. It showed that a John Phillips had owned a piano shaped piece of land for “ his mansion ” when it faced the Southern Ave. (also known as Brownsville road; the Southern Road ” or “ The plank road, and /or the toll road”} From Pittsburgh to Brownsville Pennsylvania is approximately 42 miles.)<br />
<br />
In those early years; Brownsville was on the first “ National Road ”; known as route 40 today. It follows British General Braddock’s campaign trail into our area. It served as the first road to the west, (thru Pittsburgh), from ports along the Atlantic coast. Even Lewis and Clark began their epic explorations, from Pittsburgh’s three rivers.<br />
<br />
As the map shows, John Phillips mansion and his property extended ; EASTWARD > to the Rehman family property from; ” The Southern Ave." So, at one time, Before there was a “Hornaday road“; John Phillips owned an area that was eventually divided into lots for eighty homes. His home was on the entire flat top area of what We now call; “ Our Hornaday Road ” or at least those of us; with homes and addresses from 95 to 163. This section was a part of the "Phillips Manor lots", laid out in October of 1915, By John M. Phillips. The origional plan included Scout Ave. down to one side of Madaline and Rehman.<br />
<br />
In October of 1926, John M. Phillips (A nephew) once again laid out the Phillips Manor revision, of lots 98 to 118 inclusive. In order to provide an alley way (Revision way) and rear access to those homes.<br />
<br />
(By my guess timate; he ; '''John Phillips''' had about 18 acres in all. <br />
<br />
Here are my assumptions and facts,> I added, lot6 of >[ 6 acres and 115 perches]and lot 7[> 6 acres and 42 perches ] = 12 acres + 157 perches,almost 13 acres for those two lots alone ; since 160 perches equals one acre. Without all dimensions for lots 1 > 5 that face Brownsville road between Agnew and Madeline; and two lots showing , 5.73 perches each ,….Assuming,…. those lots are equal and amount to > 28.65 perches > I guessed another 5.58 acres for lots 1 thru 5 ; where his home apparently sat .{160 perches equals one acre / which is 208.71 ft by / 208.71 = 43559.8641 sq. feet)<br />
<br />
Next ; We continued searching for details of Hornaday and The Phillips family members, at the John Heinz history center. We learned that the above mentioned; '''John Phillips''' was vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company ( Formerly known as Lewis and Phillips on the South side, at 12th street on the river .) His Mansion sat on lot 3 ; set back from Brownsville road ( and it was centered,.. where Hornaday Road is now )and his ”Governor’s style” curved driveway, was likely for his horse drawn carriage , curved away from his home to meet the streets; we NOW know as Agnew and Madeline.<br />
<br />
At this time, ( June 2008 ) I have not seen an official date for his home; for now;.. I will assume it may have been built about the time of the Civil war. <br />
These street name changes will be explained later.<br />
<br />
The number 1 Lot, near Philips Mansion is the Zion church property now. This map above; also shows Southern Ave./ also known as Brownsville road , Murray street in now called Madeline, on this map; Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew. (More details of that area later.) <br />
<br />
Hornaday Road, did not exist according to this @ 1905 map , though plans for our homes and lots were done by a J.B.Murray in 1859, John Phillips only owned lots 1 thru 7. It should be easy for Hornaday residents to imagine “Our” road thru the center of his Homestead / Mansion and property Eastward to the bend in Hornaday road and then downhill; beginning at Rehman. (This section lead down hill to August Waldman's farm, where " Hornaday meets Dowling and was called '''Waltman Street''' until '''>>1915 ? <br />
<br />
Until 1916, Dowling was called Stevenson St. Nine lots were laid out by the Carrick boro school directors on November 19th. 1915 . These lots sit on the up hill side of present day Dowling.<br />
<br />
( ??/ I need to check ny notes and dates of zoning changes''')<br />
<br />
Rihman Heirs {note spelling change} >> ? Rehman street from Hornaday to Madaline was laid out with seven lots , on the eastern side of that street. Some name changes so far noticed have been due to ownership changes, But some others like Rehman from the origional Rihman; may be due to pronouncement variations at that time. Possibly these names were "Americanized" to resolve those possibilities.<br />
<br />
<br />
Continuing the list of land owners involved with Hornaday Road at that time, We find the Bielau plan of lots beginning with addresses 201 downhill to approximately 229. The Bielau property was on the left / or North side of the down hill section , with Benarding down to Dowling street, note Concord school (number 3? of 5?) property on lot 11.<br />
<br />
Bernarding owned lots adjoining these, additional odd numbered addresses 231 to 251?<br />
<br />
Directly on the opposite / on the southern side were lots that were divided from August Waldman’s farm. In fact; this section of our road was called Waldman until several zoning changes were made in 1913. '''John said that J.B.MURRAY owned this area at one time.'''''Italic text'' His origional plan was to connect Agnew and Hornaday road, with another 364 foot long section of Red rose/road. This would have made all three sections of Red rose;(1202 feet long)in all. But that would have required eliminating John Rudiaks lot and home at 219 Hornaday road, and another home on Agnew.<br />
<br />
Eliza Weber owned all the lots on the eastern side of Redrose. At this time ten homes facing Redrose and perhaps four more facing Hornaday; share her original property. Roughly speaking, fourteen of the 22 addresses listed on this street seam to have been built by the same builder and many at about the same time; 1927.<br />
There are older homes, dated from 1876,1900,1904,1907 and 1910; if county records were always correct.<br />
As shown on the accompanying plan of lots, William F Seiger owned approximately two acres which was divided <br />
into 14 parcels.Ten lots were on the western side of Redrose and four lots were to face Hornaday. Two homes, at 218 and 220 Hornaday were built on lots three and four. My home at 216 was built on lots one and two.<br />
<br />
Prior to 1927, this area, was known as; Carrick borough; Lower Saint Clair and a part of The Baldwin township ; Carrick borough by a earlier dated local vote was officially annexed into the city of Pittsburgh ; in 1927. The Old and narrow borough building , is at 1808 Brownsville road , left of the old fire hall {More about “ it “later} Before 1927, Carrick already had the first sewerage system in western Pennsylvania; just step out to Hornaday road to see the Carrick Boro logos, that John Rudiak found and photographed, on our manhole covers. <br />
<br />
A close examination of the Carrick post card photo of John Phillips home,(provided by Carol Anthony) reveals a platform and a telescope pointed skyward at the center of the roof. John Phillips had a son in 1864, named John. (No middle initial) At this point in time not much else; is known about him.<br />
<br />
John MacFarlane Phillips; (Mentioned above) is our connection to William T. Hornaday. John M. Phillips was not the son But a nephew of John Phillip’s; the vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company. A better explanation follows in the paragraph below, it is a direct copy from Mike Sajna, in his book “Buck Fever” see pg 69.<br />
<br />
<br />
John MacFarlane Phillips was born February 15th. 1861. He was the son of James Phillips, one of the founders of the Oliver Iron and Steel Company, whose own father had come to Western Pennsylvania from Northern Ireland in 1795 to work as a blacksmith. Phillips attended public schools and then studied engineering and was made superintendent of the bolt works and forging plants of the Lewis Oliver and Phillip’s company. Later he became manager of the company’s mining equipment department and in 1899, with his Uncle John, purchased the company’s mine supply division and established the Phillip’s mine and Mill supply company. He was that company’s President one year later (1890)<br />
<br />
{not bad I would say ;...at age 29 after starting at the south side company in 1880.< from John Heinz history center sources} <br />
<br />
At this point of my history search, I do not know exactly when, our man;“ John M ” Phillips and Hornaday met; I do know that He and Hornaday were hunting together in British Columbia in 1901. They were involved in many aspects of Game protection. The mad rush to the WEST, had nearly wiped out all fur bearers, most noteably; Buffalo and Beavers.<br />
<br />
There are references in various news articles that John M. Had married at that time and took his new bride (Harriet Duff - Phillip’s) to a ranch, where she stayed for a month. Hornaday and Phillips were in Colorado by 1903, by 1906 Phillip’s was an illustrator for another of Hornaday’s many conservation minded books; “Campfire in the Canadian Rockies” <br />
In 1907 they were in Mexico and as they had done before; Hornaday and Phillips donated even more animals from their hunts,for displays in Museums. At the Carnegie museum in Oakland, At least one of Phillips displays remains; in the hall of mammals; it is a glass enclosure of a family of Cheetahs. However, sharing time and common interests generally leads to more of the same. Their common interests; Zoos, conservation, camping and hunting helped bring these men together; there was a seven year age difference between them. Hornaday and Phillips realized that outdoor training and conservation / awareness would be fostered in youth thru Boy Scouting. They were not alone in their thinking. <br />
According to Mike Sajna; John MacFarlane Phillips organized the First Boy Scout troop in Pennsylvania, in 1910; it was the Second such troop in America. Phillip’s provided its members with a place to meet; in his home at 2336 Brownsville road. {At this point in time I am awaiting additional information , and//or confirmation of some of these details from a contact in the Pgh. Boy Scouts} Since February of 2008. This location is now the site of Saint Piax church, a small remnant of the original “castellated” stone wall remains between the church and the New Concord School, '''But most likely ,… not for long.'''''Italic text''. In front of the Church the wall had been lowered But it returns to it’s original “castellated” height and location in front of the 1907 home to the right of the church. Phillips home was also used for the celebration of many church services until 1959.<br />
<br />
<br />
In its borough days, Carrick also had the first filtered water supply in western Pennsylvania; with 180 pounds per square inch of pressure; coming from the South Pittsburgh water plant, located at Beck’s run. Carrick boro and its business men had already begun paving its streets and sidewalks; with planks of wood three inches thick. John MacFarlane Phillips; for the most part paid for two such sidewalks, they were from Becks Run , along Brownsville road to Mt Oliver. The first was four feet wide and the second was six feet wide. Once annexed into the city, some street names were changed to avoid duplication of existing street names,in use somewhere in Pittsburgh. Murray street became Madeline and the original bend in Murray Ave.{ Look between Mur ray’s R’s on the 1905 map} has since been straightened. Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew and was also a township road in The Baldwin township until 1927. Take a look at The Crailo plan, Southern Avenue land company on the 1905 map, Just north of Our homes. This area was owned by John Agnew, beginning with its narrow lots on the North side of the street that bears his name. One of my early assumptions about this area; have been proved correct, this fifty two acre parcel of land; was given to John Agnew and his wife; by her father. Agnew and Chambers operated a glass works there. I contacted, Susan Buyers; An Agnew relative to ask if Agnew and Chambers had taken over Englert glass; the first glass factory in Pittsburgh. She did '''NOT verify''' that question. But If she had , another early historic puzzle piece would fall into place. Since the name Englertville was the local name prior to 1753 and when Doctor Brown set up the first post office naming it Carrick after his home town of Carrick au Suir, in Tipperary Ireland. <br />
<br />
John Agnew’s new home, likely faced the Southern road, (Brownsville road) after looking at a drawing of that house, I Assume;… for the moment ; that it sat where the BP gas station is today. If Agnew also had his South Side glass factory, this older Englert site was razed and resold in small lots; perhaps many of these new residents; were employee’s at his South Side glass works. The Concord church shown on this 1905 map is the “Stone” church where we vote. The original Concord church was a “Wooden” church, Both of the “Concord churches “will show on another survey map, available at Historic Pittsburgh; dated 1916. See the photo of the wooden church below. It was moved away from Brownsville road, Perhaps by Eichley {as they are World Famous for such things} of Pittsburgh but sat for a time in what is now their parking lot. It was used as a high school. '''Please note that I have included only ;...small portions of the maps available at Historic Pittsburgh.'''''Italic text'' <br />
<br />
The convent of Passionist nuns , in the photo above is located at 2700 Churchview Avenue at Spencer. <br />
The map to follow displays name and neighbor hood changes since 1905. This map section is from Concord church and north. On this map, also from 1905, you can see that there were four “ island ;.. flower planters” on THE Boulevard. Looking South /down from there you can see the name Phillips ave. and not, East Meyers Avenue.</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=User:Jkrynock&diff=94User:Jkrynock2008-06-23T13:57:08Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
<hr />
<div>An Introduction and short History of the Carrick Overbrook Historical Society<br />
<br />
"My", First order of business; "The Hornaday road report."<br />
<br />
John Rudiak and I, {Joe Krynock} were talking at the 2007 Hornaday Road, block party. John mentioned that he was going to the Recorder of Deeds office to research deed information for his home and for his daughter’s home, also in Carrick. Since I wanted to explore my homes past and to determine a build date for my place, John and I planned to go there together. I had researched deeds before But that seamed long ago. As we talked more during the block party, other neighbors mentioned historic info about their homes or rumored information of "OUR" neighborhood. Yet no one knew things for sure. Since John had already been living here; when I moved into Carrick. (in 1982) I asked John, if he knew any historic details about Hornaday Road.<br />
<br />
"Not really" he said. <br />
<br />
I told him that A Pittsburgh "Councilman” named Phillips was a friend of William T. Hornaday. In fact; when they were not hunting together, they promoted stuff like Boy Scouting, better zoos and conservation.<br />
<br />
“This Hornaday?, John asked “Who was he?”.<br />
<br />
So, I told him; " William T. Hornaday was a Conservation minded Writer But He was also a taxidermist and the director;.. at the Bronx zoo ."<br />
<br />
"How did you find that?” John asked.<br />
<br />
“Honestly, by accident! Years ago; I bought a bargain priced book; called “Buck fever”, mostly because it written by Mike Sajna,{now deceased} a name I recognised. Mike Sajna's book was printed by the University of Pittsburgh Press. It was about deer hunting and Pennsylvania Game Commission history. I stated that I wanted to expand on,that small bit of information,... Someday!"<br />
<br />
John said," Well,you are retired!"<br />
<br />
I went to bed with that thought in my head. The next morning, (after the "Late night Party") ; I found my copy of “Buck fever” and re-read pages 68 to 78 to refresh my memory. Then I sent this e mail to John on Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:01:16 AM Subject: Hornaday history;<br />
<br />
Hey John, Perhaps we could collaborate on a Hornaday history, A kind of story or report; (Hopefully /certainly it would be done),..before the next; 2008 block party. JOE K<br />
<br />
With these few clues we started “OUR” search @ August 20th 2007. John and I started at the Recorder of Deeds office downtown. We researched thru many Deed books to track our property records. In the process; John found some information about J.B.Murray's housing plan;laid out in December of 1859. This map and information was related to all of the homes and owners in the area. "IT" raised questions and eyebrows.<br />
<br />
A short time later, We went to the local library. We asked if they had any local or Historical information there. They did, the librarian on duty showed us where to begin. Quite quickly we were surprised. Aparently a man named Joe Spiceker??? Had been archiving items for many years already and had assembled many binders of information. As John and I broused through the files; John found a crumpled piece of paper, with something inside it. It was a metal badge, from a former fireman when Carrick was a borough. John and I both felt that this item was not just rare But of "Historic" importance to the community. John immeadiately showed it to the libraian, asking if there was a "Secure" place where she could store it. As we looked at the collection of photos and news articals, we found that some were missing and / or shuffled somewhat as to page numbers. John commented that if all this stuff was loaded into computor format,... it would be easier to protect and collect. Old photos lay at the bottom of a drawer, perhaps they fell out or they were never identified and mounted. <br />
<br />
'''Computors are not''' what I did for my living and I felt that my plan for a short letter to the neighbors;... had suddenly got me into much deeper waters than I had intended. John suggested that instead of saving our own copies, (probobly reams of paper and info) at our homes,…that we load it all ; into a website for anyone (Not Just Hornaday residents) to explore in their own time and leisure. So,... it was John who took me into this new and uncharted territory, with the website idea.<br />
<br />
Often and Independently; we looked for maps and stuff on internet sites. I found the Historic Pittsburgh Project. Among their sources and maps; was this survey map dated 1905 and I showed it to John. It showed that a John Phillips had owned a piano shaped piece of land for “ his mansion ” when it faced the Southern Ave. (also known as Brownsville road; the Southern Road ” or “ The plank road, and /or the toll road”} From Pittsburgh to Brownsville Pennsylvania is approximately 42 miles.)<br />
<br />
In those early years; Brownsville was on the first “ National Road ”; known as route 40 today. It follows British General Braddock’s campaign trail into our area. It served as the first road to the west, (thru Pittsburgh), from ports along the Atlantic coast. Even Lewis and Clark began their epic explorations, from Pittsburgh’s three rivers.<br />
<br />
As the map shows, John Phillips mansion and his property extended ; EASTWARD > to the Rehman family property from; ” The Southern Ave." So, at one time, Before there was a “Hornaday road“; John Phillips owned the entire flat top area of what We now call; “ Our Hornaday Road ” or at least those of us; with homes and addresses from 95 to 163. This section was a part of the "Phillips Manor lots", laid out in October of 1915, By John M. Phillips. The origional plan included Scout Ave. down to one side of Madaline and Rehman.<br />
<br />
In October of 1926, John M. Phillips (A nephew) once again laid out the Phillips Manor revision, of lots 98 to 118 inclusive. In order to provide an alley way (Revision way) and rear access to those homes.<br />
<br />
(By my guess timate; he ; '''John Phillips''' had about 18 acres in all. <br />
<br />
Here are my assumptions and facts,> I added, lot6 of >[ 6 acres and 115 perches]and lot 7[> 6 acres and 42 perches ] = 12 acres + 157 perches,almost 13 acres for those two lots alone ; since 160 perches equals one acre. Without all dimensions for lots 1 > 5 that face Brownsville road between Agnew and Madeline; and two lots showing , 5.73 perches each ,….Assuming,…. those lots are equal and amount to > 28.65 perches > I guessed another 5.58 acres for lots 1 thru 5 ; where his home apparently sat .{160 perches equals one acre / which is 208.71 ft by / 208.71 = 43559.8641 sq. feet)<br />
<br />
Next ; We continued searching for details of Hornaday and The Phillips family members, at the John Heinz history center. We learned that the above mentioned; '''John Phillips''' was vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company ( Formerly known as Lewis and Phillips on the South side, at 12th street on the river .) His Mansion sat on lot 3 ; set back from Brownsville road ( and it was centered,.. where Hornaday Road is now )and his ”Governor’s style” curved driveway, was likely for his horse drawn carriage , curved away from his home to meet the streets; we NOW know as Agnew and Madeline.<br />
<br />
At this time, ( June 2008 ) I have not seen an official date for his home; for now;.. I will assume it may have been built about the time of the Civil war. <br />
These street name changes will be explained later.<br />
<br />
The number 1 Lot, near Philips Mansion is the Zion church property now. This map above; also shows Southern Ave./ also known as Brownsville road , Murray street in now called Madeline, on this map; Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew. (More details of that area later.) <br />
<br />
Hornaday Road, did not exist according to this @ 1905 map , though plans for our homes and lots were done by a J.B.Murray in 1859, John Phillips only owned lots 1 thru 7. It should be easy for Hornaday residents to imagine “Our” road thru the center of his Homestead / Mansion and property Eastward to the bend in Hornaday road and then downhill; beginning at Rehman. (This section lead down hill to August Waldman's farm, where " Hornaday meets Dowling and was called '''Waltman Street''' until '''>>1915 ? <br />
<br />
Until 1916, Dowling was called Stevenson St. Nine lots were laid out by the Carrick boro school directors on November 19th. 1915 . These lots sit on the up hill side of present day Dowling.<br />
<br />
( ??/ I need to check ny notes and dates of zoning changes''')<br />
<br />
Rihman Heirs {note spelling change} >> ? Rehman street from Hornaday to Madaline was laid out with seven lots , on the eastern side of that street. Some name changes so far noticed have been due to ownership changes, But some others like Rehman from the origional Rihman; may be due to pronouncement variations at that time. Possibly these names were "Americanized" to resolve those possibilities.<br />
<br />
<br />
Continuing the list of land owners involved with Hornaday Road at that time, We find the Bielau plan of lots beginning with addresses 201 downhill to approximately 229. The Bielau property was on the left / or North side of the down hill section , with Benarding down to Dowling street, note Concord school (number 3? of 5?) property on lot 11.<br />
<br />
Bernarding owned lots adjoining these, additional odd numbered addresses to 251?<br />
<br />
Directly on the opposite / on the southern side were lots that were divided from August Waldman’s farm. In fact; this section of our road was called Waldman until several zoning changes were made in 1913. The J B Murray plan was to connect Agnew and Hornaday road, with another 364 foot long section of Red rose/road. This would have made all three sections of Red rose;(1202 feet long)in all. But that would have required eliminating John Rudiaks lot and home at 219 Hornaday road, and another home on Agnew.<br />
<br />
Eliza Weber owned all the lots on the eastern side of Redrose. At this time ten homes facing Redrose and perhaps four more facing Hornaday; share her original property. Roughly speaking, fourteen of the 22 addresses listed on this street seam to have been built by the same builder and many at about the same time; 1927.<br />
There are older homes, dated from 1876,1900,1904,1907 and 1910; if county records were always correct.<br />
As shown on the accompanying plan of lots, William F Seiger owned approximately two acres which was divided <br />
into 14 parcels.Ten lots were on the western side of Redrose and four lots were to face Hornaday. Two homes, at 218 and 220 Hornaday were built on lots three and four. My home at 216 was built on lots one and two.<br />
<br />
Prior to 1927, this area, was known as; Carrick borough; Lower Saint Clair and a part of The Baldwin township ; Carrick borough by a earlier dated local vote was officially annexed into the city of Pittsburgh ; in 1927. The Old and narrow borough building , is at 1808 Brownsville road , left of the old fire hall {More about “ it “later} Before 1927, Carrick already had the first sewerage system in western Pennsylvania; just step out to Hornaday road to see the Carrick Boro logos, that John Rudiak found and photographed, on our manhole covers. <br />
<br />
A close examination of the Carrick post card photo of John Phillips home,(From Carol Anthony) reveals a platform and a telescope pointed skyward at the center of the roof. John Phillips had a son in 1864, named John. (No middle initial) At this point in time not much else; is known about him.<br />
<br />
John MacFarlane Phillips; Born in 1861 is our connection to William T. Hornaday. John M. Phillips was not the son But a nephew of John Phillip’s; the vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company. A better explanation follows in the paragraph below, it is a direct copy from Mike Sajna, in his book “Buck Fever” see pg 69. <br />
<br />
John MacFarlane Phillips was born February 15th. 1861. He was the son of James Phillips, one of the founders of the Oliver Iron and Steel Company, whose own father had come to Western Pennsylvania from Northern Ireland in 1795 to work as a blacksmith. Phillips attended public schools and then studied engineering and was made superintendent of the bolt works and forging plants of the Lewis Oliver and Phillip’s company. Later he became manager of the company’s mining equipment department and in 1899, with his Uncle John, purchased the company’s mine supply division and established the Phillip’s mine and Mill supply company. He was that company’s President one year later (1890)<br />
<br />
{not bad I would say ;...at age 29 after starting at the south side company in 1880.< from John Heinz history center sources} <br />
<br />
At this point of my history search, I do not know exactly when, our man;“ John M ” Phillips and Hornaday met; I do know that He and Hornaday were hunting together in British Columbia in 1901. They were involved in many aspects of Game protection. The mad rush to the WEST, had nearly wiped out all fur bearers, most noteably; Buffalo and Beavers.<br />
<br />
There are references in various news articles that John M. Had married at that time and took his new bride (Harriet Duff - Phillip’s) to a ranch, where she stayed for a month. Hornaday and Phillips were in Colorado by 1903, by 1906 Phillip’s was an illustrator for another of Hornaday’s many conservation minded books; “Campfire in the Canadian Rockies” <br />
In 1907 they were in Mexico and as they had done before; Hornaday and Phillips donated even more animals from their hunts,for displays in Museums. At the Carnegie museum in Oakland, At least one of Phillips displays remains; in the hall of mammals; it is a glass enclosure of a family of Cheetahs. However, sharing time and common interests generally leads to more of the same. Their common interests; Zoos, conservation, camping and hunting helped bring these men together; there was a seven year age difference between them. Hornaday and Phillips realized that outdoor training and conservation / awareness would be fostered in youth thru Boy Scouting. They were not alone in their thinking. <br />
According to Mike Sajna; John MacFarlane Phillips organized the First Boy Scout troop in Pennsylvania, in 1910; it was the Second such troop in America. Phillip’s provided its members with a place to meet; in his home at 2336 Brownsville road. {At this point in time I am awaiting additional information , and//or confirmation of some of these details from a contact in the Pgh. Boy Scouts} Since February of 2008. This location is now the site of Saint Piax church, a small remnant of the original “castellated” stone wall remains between the church and the New Concord School, '''But most likely ,… not for long.'''''Italic text''. In front of the Church the wall had been lowered But it returns to it’s original “castellated” height and location in front of the 1907 home to the right of the church. Phillips home was also used for the celebration of many church services until 1959.<br />
<br />
<br />
In its borough days, Carrick also had the first filtered water supply in western Pennsylvania; with 180 pounds per square inch of pressure; coming from the South Pittsburgh water plant, located at Beck’s run. Carrick boro and its business men had already begun paving its streets and sidewalks; with planks of wood three inches thick. John MacFarlane Phillips; for the most part paid for two such sidewalks, they were from Becks Run , along Brownsville road to Mt Oliver. The first was four feet wide and the second was six feet wide. Once annexed into the city, some street names were changed to avoid duplication of existing street names,in use somewhere in Pittsburgh. Murray street became Madeline and the original bend in Murray Ave.{ Look between Mur ray’s R’s on the 1905 map} has since been straightened. Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew and was also a township road in The Baldwin township until 1927. Take a look at The Crailo plan, Southern Avenue land company on the 1905 map, Just north of Our homes. This area was owned by John Agnew, beginning with its narrow lots on the North side of the street that bears his name. One of my early assumptions about this area; have been proved correct, this fifty two acre parcel of land; was given to John Agnew and his wife; by her father. Agnew and Chambers operated a glass works there. I contacted, Susan Buyers; An Agnew relative to ask if Agnew and Chambers had taken over Englert glass; the first glass factory in Pittsburgh. She did '''NOT verify''' that question. But If she had , another early historic puzzle piece would fall into place. Since the name Englertville was the local name prior to 1753 and when Doctor Brown set up the first post office naming it Carrick after his home town of Carrick au Suir, in Tipperary Ireland. <br />
<br />
John Agnew’s new home, likely faced the Southern road, (Brownsville road) after looking at a drawing of that house, I Assume;… for the moment ; that it sat where the BP gas station is today. If Agnew also had his South Side glass factory, this older Englert site was razed and resold in small lots; perhaps many of these new residents; were employee’s at his South Side glass works. The Concord church shown on this 1905 map is the “Stone” church where we vote. The original Concord church was a “Wooden” church, Both of the “Concord churches “will show on another survey map, available at Historic Pittsburgh; dated 1916. See the photo of the wooden church below. It was moved away from Brownsville road, Perhaps by Eichley {as they are World Famous for such things} of Pittsburgh but sat for a time in what is now their parking lot. It was used as a high school. '''Please note that I have included only ;...small portions of the maps available at Historic Pittsburgh.'''''Italic text'' <br />
<br />
The convent of Passionist nuns , in the photo above is located at 2700 Churchview Avenue at Spencer. <br />
The map to follow displays name and neighbor hood changes since 1905. This map section is from Concord church and north. On this map, also from 1905, you can see that there were four “ island ;.. flower planters” on THE Boulevard. Looking South /down from there you can see the name Phillips ave. and not, East Meyers Avenue.</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=User:Jkrynock&diff=93User:Jkrynock2008-06-23T13:51:33Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
<hr />
<div>An Introduction and short History of the Carrick Overbrook Historical Society<br />
<br />
"My", First order of business; "The Hornaday road report."<br />
<br />
John Rudiak and I, {Joe Krynock} were talking at the 2007 Hornaday Road, block party. John mentioned that he was going to the Recorder of Deeds office to research deed information for his home and for his daughter’s home, also in Carrick. Since I wanted to explore my homes past and to determine a build date for my place, John and I planned to go there together. I had researched deeds before But that seamed long ago. As we talked more during the block party, other neighbors mentioned historic info about their homes or rumored information of "OUR" neighborhood. Yet no one knew things for sure. Since John had already been living here; when I moved into Carrick. (in 1982) I asked John, if he knew any historic details about Hornaday Road.<br />
<br />
"Not really" he said. <br />
<br />
I told him that A Pittsburgh "Councilman” named Phillips was a friend of William T. Hornaday. In fact; when they were not hunting together, they promoted stuff like Boy Scouting, better zoos and conservation.<br />
<br />
“This Hornaday?, John asked “Who was he?”.<br />
<br />
So, I told him; " William T. Hornaday was a Conservation minded Writer But He was also a taxidermist and the director;.. at the Bronx zoo ."<br />
<br />
"How did you find that?” John asked.<br />
<br />
“Honestly, by accident! Years ago; I bought a bargain priced book; called “Buck fever”, mostly because it written by Mike Sajna,{now deceased} a name I recognised. Mike Sajna's book was printed by the University of Pittsburgh Press. It was about deer hunting and Pennsylvania Game Commission history. I stated that I wanted to expand on,that small bit of information,... Someday!"<br />
<br />
John said," Well,you are retired!"<br />
<br />
I went to bed with that thought in my head. The next morning, (after the "Late night Party") ; I found my copy of “Buck fever” and re-read pages 68 to 78 to refresh my memory. Then I sent this e mail to John on Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:01:16 AM Subject: Hornaday history;<br />
<br />
Hey John, Perhaps we could collaborate on a Hornaday history, A kind of story or report; (Hopefully /certainly it would be done),..before the next; 2008 block party. JOE K<br />
<br />
With these few clues we started “OUR” search @ August 20th 2007. John and I started at the Recorder of Deeds office downtown. We researched thru many Deed books to track our property records. In the process; John found some information about J.B.Murray's housing plan;laid out in December of 1859. This map and information was related to all of the homes and owners in the area. "IT" raised questions and eyebrows.<br />
<br />
A short time later, We went to the local library. We asked if they had any local or Historical information there. They did, the librarian on duty showed us where to begin. Quite quickly we were surprised. Aparently a man named Joe Spiceker??? Had been archiving items for many years already and had assembled many binders of information. As John and I broused through the files; John found a crumpled piece of paper, with something inside it. It was a metal badge, from a former fireman when Carrick was a borough. John and I both felt that this item was not just rare But of "Historic" importance to the community. John immeadiately showed it to the libraian, asking if there was a "Secure" place where she could store it. As we looked at the collection of photos and news articals, we found that some were missing and / or shuffled somewhat as to page numbers. John commented that if all this stuff was loaded into computor format,... it would be easier to protect and collect. Old photos lay at the bottom of a drawer, perhaps they fell out or they were never identified and mounted. <br />
<br />
'''Computors are not''' what I did for my living and I felt that my plan for a short letter to the neighbors;... had suddenly got me into much deeper waters than I had intended. John suggested that instead of saving our own copies, (probobly reams of paper and info) at our homes,…that we load it all ; into a website for anyone (Not Just Hornaday residents) to explore in their own time and leisure. So,... it was John who took me into this new and uncharted territory, with the website idea.<br />
<br />
Often and Independently; we looked for maps and stuff on internet sites. I found the Historic Pittsburgh Project. Among their sources and maps; was this survey map dated 1905 and I showed it to John. It showed that a John Phillips had owned a piano shaped piece of land for “ his mansion ” when it faced the Southern Ave. (also known as Brownsville road; the Southern Road ” or “ The plank road, and /or the toll road”} From Pittsburgh to Brownsville Pennsylvania is approximately 42 miles.)<br />
<br />
In those early years; Brownsville was on the first “ National Road ”; known as route 40 today. It follows British General Braddock’s campaign trail into our area. It served as the first road to the west, (thru Pittsburgh), from ports along the Atlantic coast. Even Lewis and Clark began their epic explorations, from Pittsburgh’s three rivers.<br />
<br />
As the map shows, John Phillips mansion and his property extended ; EASTWARD > to the Rehman family property from; ” The Southern Ave." So, at one time, Before there was a “Hornaday road“; John Phillips owned the entire flat top area of what We now call; “ Our Hornaday Road ” or at least those of us; with homes and addresses from 95 to 163. This section was a part of the "Phillips Manor lots", laid out in October of 1915, By John M. Phillips. The origional plan included Scout Ave. down to one side of Madaline and Rehman.<br />
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In October of 1926, John M. Phillips (A nephew) once again laid out the Phillips Manor revision, of lots 98 to 118 inclusive. In order to provide an alley way (Revision way) and rear access to those homes.<br />
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(By my guess timate; he ; '''John Phillips''' had about 18 acres in all. <br />
<br />
Here are my assumptions and facts,> I added, lot6 of >[ 6 acres and 115 perches]and lot 7[> 6 acres and 42 perches ] = 12 acres + 157 perches,almost 13 acres for those two lots alone ; since 160 perches equals one acre. Without all dimensions for lots 1 > 5 that face Brownsville road between Agnew and Madeline; and two lots showing , 5.73 perches each ,….Assuming,…. those lots are equal and amount to > 28.65 perches > I guessed another 5.58 acres for lots 1 thru 5 ; where his home apparently sat .{160 perches equals one acre / which is 208.71 ft by / 208.71 = 43559.8641 sq. feet)<br />
<br />
Next ; We continued searching for details of Hornaday and The Phillips family members, at the John Heinz history center. We learned that the above mentioned; '''John Phillips''' was vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company ( Formerly known as Lewis and Phillips on the South side, at 12th street on the river .) His Mansion sat on lot 3 ; set back from Brownsville road ( and it was centered,.. where Hornaday Road is now )and his ”Governor’s style” curved driveway, was likely for his horse drawn carriage , curved away from his home to meet the streets; we NOW know as Agnew and Madeline.<br />
<br />
At this time, ( June 2008 ) I have not seen an official date for his home; for now;.. I will assume it may have been built about the time of the Civil war. <br />
These street name changes will be explained later.<br />
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The number 1 Lot, near Philips Mansion is the Zion church property now. This map above; also shows Southern Ave./ also known as Brownsville road , Murray street in now called Madeline, on this map; Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew. (More details of that area later.) <br />
<br />
Hornaday Road, did not exist according to this @ 1905 map , though plans for our homes and lots were done by a J.B.Murray, John Phillips only owned lots 1 thru 7. It should be easy for Hornaday residents to imagine “Our” road thru the center of his Homestead / Mansion and property Eastward to the bend in Hornaday road and then downhill; beginning at Reaman. (This section lead down hill to August Waldman's farm, where " Hornaday meets Dowling and was called '''Waltman Street''' until '''>>1915 ? <br />
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Until 1916, Dowling was called Stevenson St. Nine lots were laid out by the Carrick boro school directors on November 19th. 1915 . These lots sit on the up hill side of present day Dowling.<br />
<br />
( ??/ I need to check ny notes and dates of zoning changes''')<br />
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Rihman Heirs {note spelling change} >> ? Rehman street from Hornaday to Madiline was laid out with seven lots , on the eastern side of that street. Some name changes so far noticed have been due to ownership changes, But some others like Rehman from the origional Rihman; may be due to pronouncement variations at that time. Possibly these names were "Americanized" to resolve those possibilities.<br />
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<br />
Continuing the list of land owners involved with Hornaday Road at that time, We find the Bielau plan of lots beginning with address 201 downhill to approximately 229. The Bielau property was on the left / or North side of the down hill section , with Benarding down to Dowling street, note Concord school (number 3? of 5?) property on lot 11.<br />
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Bernarding owned lots adjoining these, additional odd numbered addresses to 251?<br />
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Directly on the opposite / on the southern side were lots that were divided from August Waldman’s farm. In fact; this section of our road was called Waldman until several zoning changes were made in 1913. The J B Murray plan was to connect Agnew and Hornaday road, with another 364 foot long section of Red rose/road. This would have made all three sections of Red rose;(1202 feet long)in all. But that would have required eliminating John Rudiaks lot and home at 219 Hornaday road, and another home on Agnew.<br />
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Eliza Weber owned all the lots on the eastern side of Redrose. At this time ten homes facing Redrose and perhaps four more facing Hornaday; share her original property. Roughly speaking, fourteen of the 22 addresses listed on this street seam to have been built by the same builder and many at about the same time; 1927.<br />
There are older homes, dated from 1876,1900,1904,1907 and 1910; if county records were always correct.<br />
As shown on the accompanying plan of lots, William F Seiger owned approximately two acres which was divided <br />
into 14 parcels.Ten lots were on the western side of Redrose and four lots were to face Hornaday. Two homes, at 218 and 220 Hornaday were built on lots three and four. My home at 216 was built on lots one and two.<br />
<br />
Prior to 1927, this area, was known as; Carrick borough; Lower Saint Clair and a part of The Baldwin township ; Carrick borough by a earlier dated local vote was officially annexed into the city of Pittsburgh ; in 1927. The Old and narrow borough building , is at 1808 Brownsville road , left of the old fire hall {More about “ it “later} Before 1927, Carrick already had the first sewerage system in western Pennsylvania; just step out to Hornaday road to see the Carrick Boro logos, that John Rudiak found and photographed, on our manhole covers. <br />
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A close examination of the Carrick post card photo of John Phillips home,(From Carol Anthony) reveals a platform and a telescope pointed skyward at the center of the roof. John Phillips had a son in 1864, named John. (No middle initial) At this point in time not much else; is known about him.<br />
<br />
John MacFarlane Phillips; Born in 1861 is our connection to William T. Hornaday. John M. Phillips was not the son But a nephew of John Phillip’s; the vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company. A better explanation follows in the paragraph below, it is a direct copy from Mike Sajna, in his book “Buck Fever” see pg 69. <br />
<br />
John MacFarlane Phillips was born February 15th. 1861. He was the son of James Phillips, one of the founders of the Oliver Iron and Steel Company, whose own father had come to Western Pennsylvania from Northern Ireland in 1795 to work as a blacksmith. Phillips attended public schools and then studied engineering and was made superintendent of the bolt works and forging plants of the Lewis Oliver and Phillip’s company. Later he became manager of the company’s mining equipment department and in 1899, with his Uncle John, purchased the company’s mine supply division and established the Phillip’s mine and Mill supply company. He was that company’s President one year later (1890)<br />
<br />
{not bad at age 29 after starting at the south side company in 1880.< from John Heinz history center sources} <br />
<br />
At this point of my history search, I do not know exactly when, our man;“ John M ” Phillips and Hornaday met; I do know that He and Hornaday were hunting together in British Columbia in 1901. They were involved in many aspects of Game protection. The mad rush to the WEST, had nearly wiped out all fur bearers, most noteably; Buffalo and Beavers.<br />
<br />
There are references in various news articles that John M. Had married at that time and took his new bride (Harriet Duff - Phillip’s) to a ranch, where she stayed for a month. Hornaday and Phillips were in Colorado by 1903, by 1906 Phillip’s was an illustrator for another of Hornaday’s many conservation minded books; “Campfire in the Canadian Rockies” <br />
In 1907 they were in Mexico and as they had done before; Hornaday and Phillips donated even more animals from their hunts,for displays in Museums. At the Carnegie museum in Oakland, At least one of Phillips displays remains; in the hall of mammals; it is a glass enclosure of a family of Cheetahs. However, sharing time and common interests generally leads to more of the same. Their common interests; Zoos, conservation, camping and hunting helped bring these men together; there was a seven year age difference between them. Hornaday and Phillips realized that outdoor training and conservation / awareness would be fostered in youth thru Boy Scouting. They were not alone in their thinking. <br />
According to Mike Sajna; John MacFarlane Phillips organized the First Boy Scout troop in Pennsylvania, in 1910; it was the Second such troop in America. Phillip’s provided its members with a place to meet; in his home at 2336 Brownsville road. {At this point in time I am awaiting additional information , and//or confirmation of some of these details from a contact in the Pgh. Boy Scouts} Since February of 2008. This location is now the site of Saint Piax church, a small remnant of the original “castellated” stone wall remains between the church and the New Concord School, '''But most likely ,… not for long.'''''Italic text''. In front of the Church the wall had been lowered But it returns to it’s original “castellated” height and location in front of the 1907 home to the right of the church. Phillips home was also used for the celebration of many church services until 1959.<br />
<br />
<br />
In its borough days, Carrick also had the first filtered water supply in western Pennsylvania; with 180 pounds per square inch of pressure; coming from the South Pittsburgh water plant, located at Beck’s run. Carrick boro and its business men had already begun paving its streets and sidewalks; with planks of wood three inches thick. John MacFarlane Phillips; for the most part paid for two such sidewalks, they were from Becks Run , along Brownsville road to Mt Oliver. The first was four feet wide and the second was six feet wide. Once annexed into the city, some street names were changed to avoid duplication of existing street names,in use somewhere in Pittsburgh. Murray street became Madeline and the original bend in Murray Ave.{ Look between Mur ray’s R’s on the 1905 map} has since been straightened. Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew and was also a township road in The Baldwin township until 1927. Take a look at The Crailo plan, Southern Avenue land company on the 1905 map, Just north of Our homes. This area was owned by John Agnew, beginning with its narrow lots on the North side of the street that bears his name. One of my early assumptions about this area; have been proved correct, this fifty two acre parcel of land; was given to John Agnew and his wife; by her father. Agnew and Chambers operated a glass works there. I contacted, Susan Buyers; An Agnew relative to ask if Agnew and Chambers had taken over Englert glass; the first glass factory in Pittsburgh. She did '''NOT verify''' that question. But If she had , another early historic puzzle piece would fall into place. Since the name Englertville was the local name prior to 1753 and when Doctor Brown set up the first post office naming it Carrick after his home town of Carrick au Suir, in Tipperary Ireland. <br />
<br />
John Agnew’s new home, likely faced the Southern road, (Brownsville road) after looking at a drawing of that house, I Assume;… for the moment ; that it sat where the BP gas station is today. If Agnew also had his South Side glass factory, this older Englert site was razed and resold in small lots; perhaps many of these new residents; were employee’s at his South Side glass works. The Concord church shown on this 1905 map is the “Stone” church where we vote. The original Concord church was a “Wooden” church, Both of the “Concord churches “will show on another survey map, available at Historic Pittsburgh; dated 1916. See the photo of the wooden church below. It was moved away from Brownsville road, Perhaps by Eichley {as they are World Famous for such things} of Pittsburgh but sat for a time in what is now their parking lot. It was used as a high school. '''Please note that I have included only ;...small portions of the maps available at Historic Pittsburgh.'''''Italic text'' <br />
<br />
The convent of Passionist nuns , in the photo above is located at 2700 Churchview Avenue at Spencer. <br />
The map to follow displays name and neighbor hood changes since 1905. This map section is from Concord church and north. On this map, also from 1905, you can see that there were four “ island ;.. flower planters” on THE Boulevard. Looking South /down from there you can see the name Phillips ave. and not, East Meyers Avenue.</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=User:Jkrynock&diff=92User:Jkrynock2008-06-23T12:38:42Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
<hr />
<div>An Introduction and short History of the Carrick Overbrook Historical Society<br />
<br />
"My", First order of business; "The Hornaday road report."<br />
<br />
John Rudiak and I, {Joe Krynock} were talking at the 2007 Hornaday Road, block party. John mentioned that he was going to the Recorder of Deeds office to research deed information for his home and for his daughter’s home, also in Carrick. Since I wanted to explore my homes past and to determine a build date for my place, John and I planned to go there together. I had researched deeds before But that seamed long ago. As we talked more during the block party, other neighbors mentioned historic info about their homes or rumored information of "OUR" neighborhood. Yet no one knew things for sure. Since John had already been living here; when I moved into Carrick. (in 1982) I asked John, if he knew any historic details about Hornaday Road.<br />
<br />
"Not really" he said. <br />
<br />
I told him that A Pittsburgh "Councilman” named Phillips was a friend of William T. Hornaday. In fact; when they were not hunting together, they promoted stuff like Boy Scouting, better zoos and conservation.<br />
<br />
“This Hornaday?, John asked “Who was he?”.<br />
<br />
So, I told him; " William T. Hornaday was a Conservation minded Writer But He was also a taxidermist and the director;.. at the Bronx zoo ."<br />
<br />
"How did you find that?” John asked.<br />
<br />
“Honestly, by accident! Years ago; I bought a bargain priced book; called “Buck fever”, mostly because it written by Mike Sajna,{now deceased} a name I recognised. Mike Sajna's book was printed by the University of Pittsburgh Press. It was about deer hunting and Pennsylvania Game Commission history. I stated that I wanted to expand on,that small bit of information,... Someday!"<br />
<br />
John said," Well,you are retired!"<br />
<br />
I went to bed with that thought in my head. The next morning, (after the "Late night Party") ; I found my copy of “Buck fever” and re-read pages 68 to 78 to refresh my memory. Then I sent this e mail to John on Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:01:16 AM Subject: Hornaday history;<br />
<br />
Hey John, Perhaps we could collaborate on a Hornaday history, A kind of story or report; (Hopefully /certainly it would be done),..before the next; 2008 block party. JOE K<br />
<br />
With these few clues we started “OUR” search @ August 20th 2007. John and I started at the Recorder of Deeds office downtown. We researched thru many Deed books to track our property records. In the process; John found some information about J.B.Murray's housing plan; a map and information related to all of the homes and owners in the area. "IT" raised questions and eyebrows.<br />
<br />
A short time later, We went to the local library. We asked if they had any local or Historical information there. They did, the librarian on duty showed us where to begin. Quite quickly we were surprised. Aparently a man named Joe Spiceker??? Had been archiving items for many years already and had assembled many binders of information. As John and I broused through the files; John found a crumpled piece of paper, with something inside it. It was a metal badge, from a former fireman when Carrick was a borough. John and I both felt that this item was not just rare But of "Historic" importance to the community. John immeadiately showed it to the libraian, asking if there was a "Secure" place where she could store it. As we looked at the collection of photos and news articals, we found that some were missing and / or shuffled somewhat as to page numbers. John commented that if all this stuff was loaded into computor format,... it would be easier to protect and collect. Old photos lay at the bottom of a drawer, perhaps they fell out or they were never identified and mounted. <br />
<br />
'''Computors are not''' what I did for my living and I felt that my plan for a short letter to the neighbors;... had suddenly got me into much deeper waters than I had intended. John suggested that instead of saving our own copies, (probobly reams of paper and info) at our homes,…that we load it all ; into a website for anyone (Not Just Hornaday residents) to explore in their own time and leisure. So,... it was John who took me into this new and uncharted territory, with the website idea.<br />
<br />
Often and Independently; we looked for maps and stuff on internet sites. I found the Historic Pittsburgh Project. Among their sources and maps; was this survey map dated 1905 and I showed it to John. It showed that a John Phillips had owned a piano shaped piece of land for “ his mansion ” when it faced the Southern Ave. (also known as Brownsville road; the Southern Road ” or “ The plank road, and /or the toll road”} From Pittsburgh to Brownsville Pennsylvania is approximately 42 miles.)<br />
<br />
In those early years; Brownsville was on the first “ National Road ”; known as route 40 today. It follows British General Braddock’s campaign trail into our area. It served as the first road to the west, (thru Pittsburgh), from ports along the Atlantic coast. Even Lewis and Clark began their epic explorations, from Pittsburgh’s three rivers.<br />
<br />
As the map shows, John Phillips mansion and his property extended ; EASTWARD > to the Rehman family property from; ” The Southern Ave." So, at one time, Before there was a “Hornaday road“; John Phillips owned the entire flat top area of what We now call; “ Our Hornaday Road ” or at least those with homes and addresses from 95 to 163.<br />
<br />
(By my guess timate; he had about 18 acres in all. Here are my assumptions and facts,> I added, lot6 of >[ 6 acres and 115 perches]and lot 7[> 6 acres and 42 perches ] = 12 acres + 157 perches,almost 13 acres for those two lots alone ; since 160 perches equals one acre. Without all dimensions for lots 1 > 5 that face Brownsville road between Agnew and Madeline; and two lots showing , 5.73 perches each ,….Assuming,…. those lots are equal and amount to > 28.65 perches > I guessed another 5.58 acres for lots 1 thru 5 ; where his home apparently sat .{160 perches equals one acre / which is 208.71 ft by / 208.71 = 43559.8641 sq. feet)<br />
<br />
Next ; We continued searching for details of Hornaday and The Phillips family members, at the John Heinz history center. We learned that the above mentioned; '''John Phillips''' was vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company ( Formerly known as Lewis and Phillips on the South side, at 12th street on the river .) His Mansion sat on lot 3 ; set back from Brownsville road ( and it was centered,.. where Hornaday Road is now )and his ”Governor’s style” curved driveway, was likely for his horse drawn carriage , curved away from his home to meet the streets; we NOW know as Agnew and Madeline.<br />
<br />
At this time, ( June 2008 ) I have not seen an official date for his home; for now;.. I will assume it may have been built about the time of the Civil war. <br />
These street name changes will be explained later.<br />
<br />
The number 1 Lot, near Philips Mansion is the Zion church property now. This map above; also shows Southern Ave./ also known as Brownsville road , Murray street in now called Madeline, on this map; Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew. (More details of that area later.) <br />
<br />
Hornaday Road, did not exist according to this @ 1905 map , though plans for our homes and lots were done by a J.B.Murray, John Phillips only owned lots 1 thru 7. It should be easy for Hornaday residents to imagine “Our” road thru the center of his Homestead / Mansion and property Eastward to the bend in Hornaday road and then downhill; beginning at Reaman. (This section lead down hill to August Waldman's farm, where " Hornaday meets Dowling and was called Waldman until '''>>1913???/ I need to check ny notes and dates of zoning changes''')<br />
<br />
Rihman Heirs {note spelling change}<br />
<br />
The Bielau property was on the left/ or North side of the down hill section , with Benarding down to Dowling street, note Concord school (number 3? of 5?) property on lot 11.<br />
<br />
Continuing the list of land owners involved with Hornaday Road at that time, We find the Bielau plan of lots beginning with address 201 downhill to approximately 229.<br />
<br />
Bernarding owned lots adjoining these, additional odd numbered addresses to 251?<br />
<br />
Directly on the opposite / southern side were lots that were divided from August Waldman’s farm. In fact; this section of our road was called Waldman until several zoning changes were made in 1913. The J B Murray plan was to connect Agnew and Hornaday road, with another 364 foot long section of Red rose/road. This would have made all three sections of Red rose;(1202 feet long)in all. But that would have required eliminating John Rudiaks lot and home at 219 Hornaday road, and another home on Agnew.<br />
<br />
Eliza Weber owned all the lots on the eastern side of Redrose. At this time ten homes facing Redrose and perhaps four more facing Hornaday; share her original property. Roughly speaking, fourteen of the 22 addresses listed on this street seam to have been built by the same builder and many at about the same time; 1927.<br />
There are older homes, dated from 1876,1900,1904,1907 and 1910; if county records were always correct.<br />
As shown on the accompanying plan of lots, William F Seiger owned approximately two acres which was divided <br />
into 14 parcels.Ten lots were on the western side of Redrose and four lots were to face Hornaday. Two homes, at 218 and 220 Hornaday were built on lots three and four. My home at 216 was built on lots one and two.<br />
<br />
Prior to 1927, this area, was known as; Carrick borough; Lower Saint Clair and a part of The Baldwin township ; Carrick borough by a earlier dated local vote was officially annexed into the city of Pittsburgh ; in 1927. The Old and narrow borough building , is at 1808 Brownsville road , left of the old fire hall {More about “ it “later} Before 1927, Carrick already had the first sewerage system in western Pennsylvania; just step out to Hornaday road to see the Carrick Boro logos, that John Rudiak found and photographed, on our manhole covers. <br />
<br />
A close examination of the Carrick post card photo of John Phillips home,(From Carol Anthony) reveals a platform and a telescope pointed skyward at the center of the roof. John Phillips had a son in 1864, named John. (No middle initial) At this point in time not much else; is known about him.<br />
<br />
John MacFarlane Phillips; Born in 1861 is our connection to William T. Hornaday. John M. Phillips was not the son But a nephew of John Phillip’s; the vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company. A better explanation follows in the paragraph below, it is a direct copy from Mike Sajna, in his book “Buck Fever” see pg 69. <br />
<br />
John MacFarlane Phillips was born February 15th. 1861. He was the son of James Phillips, one of the founders of the Oliver Iron and Steel Company, whose own father had come to Western Pennsylvania from Northern Ireland in 1795 to work as a blacksmith. Phillips attended public schools and then studied engineering and was made superintendent of the bolt works and forging plants of the Lewis Oliver and Phillip’s company. Later he became manager of the company’s mining equipment department and in 1899, with his Uncle John, purchased the company’s mine supply division and established the Phillip’s mine and Mill supply company. He was that company’s President one year later (1890)<br />
<br />
{not bad at age 29 after starting at the south side company in 1880.< from John Heinz history center sources} <br />
<br />
At this point of my history search, I do not know exactly when, our man;“ John M ” Phillips and Hornaday met; I do know that He and Hornaday were hunting together in British Columbia in 1901. They were involved in many aspects of Game protection. The mad rush to the WEST, had nearly wiped out all fur bearers, most noteably; Buffalo and Beavers.<br />
<br />
There are references in various news articles that John M. Had married at that time and took his new bride (Harriet Duff - Phillip’s) to a ranch, where she stayed for a month. Hornaday and Phillips were in Colorado by 1903, by 1906 Phillip’s was an illustrator for another of Hornaday’s many conservation minded books; “Campfire in the Canadian Rockies” <br />
In 1907 they were in Mexico and as they had done before; Hornaday and Phillips donated even more animals from their hunts,for displays in Museums. At the Carnegie museum in Oakland, At least one of Phillips displays remains; in the hall of mammals; it is a glass enclosure of a family of Cheetahs. However, sharing time and common interests generally leads to more of the same. Their common interests; Zoos, conservation, camping and hunting helped bring these men together; there was a seven year age difference between them. Hornaday and Phillips realized that outdoor training and conservation / awareness would be fostered in youth thru Boy Scouting. They were not alone in their thinking. <br />
According to Mike Sajna; John MacFarlane Phillips organized the First Boy Scout troop in Pennsylvania, in 1910; it was the Second such troop in America. Phillip’s provided its members with a place to meet; in his home at 2336 Brownsville road. {At this point in time I am awaiting additional information , and//or confirmation of some of these details from a contact in the Pgh. Boy Scouts} Since February of 2008. This location is now the site of Saint Piax church, a small remnant of the original “castellated” stone wall remains between the church and the New Concord School, '''But most likely ,… not for long.'''''Italic text''. In front of the Church the wall had been lowered But it returns to it’s original “castellated” height and location in front of the 1907 home to the right of the church. Phillips home was also used for the celebration of many church services until 1959.<br />
<br />
<br />
In its borough days, Carrick also had the first filtered water supply in western Pennsylvania; with 180 pounds per square inch of pressure; coming from the South Pittsburgh water plant, located at Beck’s run. Carrick boro and its business men had already begun paving its streets and sidewalks; with planks of wood three inches thick. John MacFarlane Phillips; for the most part paid for two such sidewalks, they were from Becks Run , along Brownsville road to Mt Oliver. The first was four feet wide and the second was six feet wide. Once annexed into the city, some street names were changed to avoid duplication of existing street names,in use somewhere in Pittsburgh. Murray street became Madeline and the original bend in Murray Ave.{ Look between Mur ray’s R’s on the 1905 map} has since been straightened. Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew and was also a township road in The Baldwin township until 1927. Take a look at The Crailo plan, Southern Avenue land company on the 1905 map, Just north of Our homes. This area was owned by John Agnew, beginning with its narrow lots on the North side of the street that bears his name. One of my early assumptions about this area; have been proved correct, this fifty two acre parcel of land; was given to John Agnew and his wife; by her father. Agnew and Chambers operated a glass works there. I contacted, Susan Buyers; An Agnew relative to ask if Agnew and Chambers had taken over Englert glass; the first glass factory in Pittsburgh. She did '''NOT verify''' that question. But If she had , another early historic puzzle piece would fall into place. Since the name Englertville was the local name prior to 1753 and when Doctor Brown set up the first post office naming it Carrick after his home town of Carrick au Suir, in Tipperary Ireland. <br />
<br />
John Agnew’s new home, likely faced the Southern road, (Brownsville road) after looking at a drawing of that house, I Assume;… for the moment ; that it sat where the BP gas station is today. If Agnew also had his South Side glass factory, this older Englert site was razed and resold in small lots; perhaps many of these new residents; were employee’s at his South Side glass works. The Concord church shown on this 1905 map is the “Stone” church where we vote. The original Concord church was a “Wooden” church, Both of the “Concord churches “will show on another survey map, available at Historic Pittsburgh; dated 1916. See the photo of the wooden church below. It was moved away from Brownsville road, Perhaps by Eichley {as they are World Famous for such things} of Pittsburgh but sat for a time in what is now their parking lot. It was used as a high school. '''Please note that I have included only ;...small portions of the maps available at Historic Pittsburgh.'''''Italic text'' <br />
<br />
The convent of Passionist nuns , in the photo above is located at 2700 Churchview Avenue at Spencer. <br />
The map to follow displays name and neighbor hood changes since 1905. This map section is from Concord church and north. On this map, also from 1905, you can see that there were four “ island ;.. flower planters” on THE Boulevard. Looking South /down from there you can see the name Phillips ave. and not, East Meyers Avenue.</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=User:Jkrynock&diff=91User:Jkrynock2008-06-23T12:32:36Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
<hr />
<div>An Introduction and short History of the Carrick Overbrook Historical Society<br />
<br />
"My", First order of business; "The Hornaday road report."<br />
<br />
John Rudiak and I, {Joe Krynock} were talking at the 2007 Hornaday Road, block party. John mentioned that he was going to the Recorder of Deeds office to research deed information for his home and for his daughter’s home, also in Carrick. Since I wanted to explore my homes past and to determine a build date for my place, John and I planned to go there together. I had researched deeds before But that seamed long ago. As we talked more during the block party, other neighbors mentioned historic info about their homes or rumored information of "OUR" neighborhood. Yet no one knew things for sure. Since John had already been living here; when I moved into Carrick. (in 1982) I asked John, if he knew any historic details about Hornaday Road.<br />
<br />
"Not really" he said. <br />
<br />
I told him that A Pittsburgh "Councilman” named Phillips was a friend of William T. Hornaday. In fact; when they were not hunting together, they promoted stuff like Boy Scouting, better zoos and conservation.<br />
<br />
“This Hornaday?, John asked “Who was he?”.<br />
<br />
So, I told him; " William T. Hornaday was a Conservation minded Writer But He was also a taxidermist and the director;.. at the Bronx zoo ."<br />
<br />
"How did you find that?” John asked.<br />
<br />
“Honestly, by accident! Years ago; I bought a bargain priced book; called “Buck fever”, mostly because it written by Mike Sajna,{now deceased} a name I recognised. Mike Sajna's book was printed by the University of Pittsburgh Press. It was about deer hunting and Pennsylvania Game Commission history. I stated that I wanted to expand on,that small bit of information,... Someday!"<br />
<br />
John said," Well,you are retired!"<br />
<br />
I went to bed with that thought in my head. The next morning, (after the "Late night Party") ; I found my copy of “Buck fever” and re-read pages 68 to 78 to refresh my memory. Then I sent this e mail to John on Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:01:16 AM Subject: Hornaday history;<br />
<br />
Hey John, Perhaps we could collaborate on a Hornaday history, A kind of story or report; (Hopefully /certainly it would be done),..before the next; 2008 block party. JOE K<br />
<br />
With these few clues we started “OUR” search @ August 20th 2007. John and I started at the Recorder of Deeds office downtown. We researched thru many Deed books to track our property records. In the process; John found some information about J.B.Murray's housing plan; a map and information related to all of the homes and owners in the area. "IT" raised questions and eyebrows.<br />
<br />
A short time later, We went to the local library. We asked if they had any local or Historical information there. They did, the librarian on duty showed us where to begin. Quite quickly we were surprised. Aparently a man named Joe Spiceker??? Had been archiving items for many years already and had assembled many binders of information. As John and I broused through the files; John found a crumpled piece of paper, with something inside it. It was a metal badge, from a former fireman when Carrick was a borough. John and I both felt that this item was not just rare But of "Historic" importance to the community. John immeadiately showed it to the libraian, asking if there was a "Secure" place where she could store it. As we looked at the collection of photos and news articals, we found that some were missing and / or shuffled somewhat as to page numbers. John commented that if all this stuff was loaded into computor format,... it would be easier to protect and collect. Old photos lay at the bottom of a drawer, perhaps they fell out or they were never identified and mounted. <br />
<br />
'''Computors are not''' what I did for my living and I felt that my plan for a short letter to the neighbors;... had suddenly got me into much deeper waters than I had intended. John suggested that instead of saving our own copies, (probobly reams of paper and info) at our homes,…that we load it all ; into a website for anyone (Not Just Hornaday residents) to explore in their own time and leisure. So,... it was John who took me into this new and uncharted territory, with the website idea.<br />
<br />
Often and Independently; we looked for maps and stuff on internet sites. I found the Historic Pittsburgh Project. Among their sources and maps; was this survey map dated 1905 and I showed it to John. It showed that a John Phillips had owned a piano shaped piece of land for “ his mansion ” when it faced the Southern Ave. (also known as Brownsville road; the Southern Road ” or “ The plank road, and /or the toll road”} From Pittsburgh to Brownsville Pennsylvania is approximately 42 miles.)<br />
<br />
In those early years; Brownsville was on the first “ National Road ”; known as route 40 today. It follows British General Braddock’s campaign trail into our area. It served as the first road to the west, (thru Pittsburgh), from ports along the Atlantic coast. Even Lewis and Clark began their epic explorations, from Pittsburgh’s three rivers.<br />
<br />
As the map shows, John Phillips mansion and his property extended ; EASTWARD > to the Rehman family property from; ” The Southern Ave." So, at one time, Before there was a “Hornaday road“; John Phillips owned the entire flat top area of what We now call; “ Our Hornaday Road ” or at least those with homes and addresses from 95 to 163.<br />
<br />
(By my guess timate; he had about 18 acres in all. Here are my assumptions and facts,> I added, lot6 of >[ 6 acres and 115 perches]and lot 7[> 6 acres and 42 perches ] = 12 acres + 157 perches,almost 13 acres for those two lots alone ; since 160 perches equals one acre. Without all dimensions for lots 1 > 5 that face Brownsville road between Agnew and Madeline; and two lots showing , 5.73 perches each ,….Assuming,…. those lots are equal and amount to > 28.65 perches > I guessed another 5.58 acres for lots 1 thru 5 ; where his home apparently sat .{160 perches equals one acre / which is 208.71 ft by / 208.71 = 43559.8641 sq. feet)<br />
<br />
Next ; We continued searching for details of Hornaday and The Phillips family members, at the John Heinz history center. We learned that the above mentioned; '''John Phillips''' was vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company ( Formerly known as Lewis and Phillips on the South side, at 12th street on the river .) His Mansion sat on lot 3 ; set back from Brownsville road ( and it was centered,.. where Hornaday Road is now )and his ”Governor’s style” curved driveway, was likely for his horse drawn carriage , curved away from his home to meet the streets; we NOW know as Agnew and Madeline.<br />
<br />
At this time, ( June 2008 ) I have not seen an official date for his home; for now;.. I will assume it may have been built about the time of the Civil war. <br />
These street name changes will be explained later.<br />
<br />
The number 1 Lot, near Philips Mansion is the Zion church property now. This map above; also shows Southern Ave./ also known as Brownsville road , Murray street in now called Madeline, on this map; Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew. (More details of that area later.) <br />
<br />
Hornaday Road, did not exist according to this @ 1905 map , though plans for our homes and lots were done by a J.B.Murray, John Phillips only owned lots 1 thru 7. It should be easy for Hornaday residents to imagine “Our” road thru the center of his Homestead / Mansion and property Eastward to the bend in Hornaday road and then downhill; beginning at Reaman. (This section lead down hill to August Waldman's farm, where " Hornaday meets Dowling and was called Waldman until '''>>1913???/ I need to check ny notes and dates of zoning changes''') <br />
Rihman Heirs {note spelling change} <br />
The Bielau property was on the left/ or North side of the down hill section , with Benarding down to Dowling street, note Concord school ( number 3?) property on lot 11.<br />
Continuing the list of land owners involved with Hornaday Road at that time, We find the Bielau plan of lots beginning with address 201 downhill to approximately 229.<br />
<br />
Bernarding owned lots adjoining these, additional odd numbered addresses to 251?<br />
<br />
Directly on the opposite / southern side were lots that were divided from August Waldman’s farm. In fact; this section of our road was called Waldman until several zoning changes were made in 1913. The J B Murray plan was to connect Agnew and Hornaday road, with another 364 foot long section of Red rose/road. This would have made all three sections of Red rose;(1202 feet long)in all. But that would have required eliminating John Rudiaks lot and home at 219 Hornaday road, and another home on Agnew.<br />
<br />
Eliza Weber owned all the lots on the eastern side of Redrose. At this time ten homes facing Redrose and perhaps four more facing Hornaday; share her original property. Roughly speaking, fourteen of the 22 addresses listed on this street seam to have been built by the same builder and many at about the same time; 1927.<br />
There are older homes, dated from 1876,1900,1904,1907 and 1910; if county records were always correct.<br />
As shown on the accompanying plan of lots, William F Seiger owned approximately two acres which was divided <br />
into 14 parcels.Ten lots were on the western side of Redrose and four lots were to face Hornaday. Two homes, at 218 and 220 Hornaday were built on lots three and four. My home at 216 was built on lots one and two.<br />
<br />
Prior to 1927, this area, was known as; Carrick borough; Lower Saint Clair and a part of The Baldwin township ; Carrick borough by a earlier dated local vote was officially annexed into the city of Pittsburgh ; in 1927. The Old and narrow borough building , is at 1808 Brownsville road , left of the old fire hall {More about “ it “later} Before 1927, Carrick already had the first sewerage system in western Pennsylvania; just step out to Hornaday road to see the Carrick Boro logos, that John Rudiak found and photographed, on our manhole covers. <br />
<br />
A close examination of the Carrick post card photo of John Phillips home,(From Carol Anthony) reveals a platform and a telescope pointed skyward at the center of the roof. John Phillips had a son in 1864, named John. (No middle initial) At this point in time not much else; is known about him.<br />
<br />
John MacFarlane Phillips; Born in 1861 is our connection to William T. Hornaday. John M. Phillips was not the son But a nephew of John Phillip’s; the vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company. A better explanation follows in the paragraph below, it is a direct copy from Mike Sajna, in his book “Buck Fever” see pg 69. <br />
<br />
John MacFarlane Phillips was born February 15th. 1861. He was the son of James Phillips, one of the founders of the Oliver Iron and Steel Company, whose own father had come to Western Pennsylvania from Northern Ireland in 1795 to work as a blacksmith. Phillips attended public schools and then studied engineering and was made superintendent of the bolt works and forging plants of the Lewis Oliver and Phillip’s company. Later he became manager of the company’s mining equipment department and in 1899, with his Uncle John, purchased the company’s mine supply division and established the Phillip’s mine and Mill supply company. He was that company’s President one year later (1890)<br />
<br />
{not bad at age 29 after starting at the south side company in 1880.< from John Heinz history center sources} <br />
<br />
At this point of my history search, I do not know exactly when, our man;“ John M ” Phillips and Hornaday met; I do know that He and Hornaday were hunting together in British Columbia in 1901. They were involved in many aspects of Game protection. The mad rush to the WEST,had nearly wiped out all fur bearers, noteably Buffalo and Beavers.<br />
<br />
There are references in various news articles that John M. Had married at that time and took his new bride (Harriet Duff - Phillip’s) to a ranch, where she stayed for a month. Hornaday and Phillips were in Colorado by 1903, by 1906 Phillip’s was an illustrator for another of Hornaday’s many conservation minded books; “Campfire in the Canadian Rockies” <br />
In 1907 they were in Mexico and as they had done before; Hornaday and Phillips donated even more animals from their hunts,for displays in Museums. At the Carnegie museum in Oakland, At least one of Phillips displays remains; in the hall of mammals; it is a glass enclosure of a family of Cheetahs. However, sharing time and common interests generally leads to more of the same. Their common interests; Zoos, conservation, camping and hunting helped bring these men together; there was a seven year age difference between them. Hornaday and Phillips realized that outdoor training and conservation / awareness would be fostered in youth thru Boy Scouting. They were not alone in their thinking. <br />
According to Mike Sajna; John MacFarlane Phillips organized the First Boy Scout troop in Pennsylvania, in 1910; it was the Second such troop in America. Phillip’s provided its members with a place to meet; in his home at 2336 Brownsville road. {At this point in time I am awaiting additional information , and//or confirmation of some of these details from a contact in the Pgh. Boy Scouts} Since February of 2008. This location is now the site of Saint Piax church, a small remnant of the original “castellated” stone wall remains between the church and the New Concord School, '''But most likely ,… not for long.'''''Italic text''. In front of the Church the wall had been lowered But it returns to it’s original “castellated” height and location in front of the 1907 home to the right of the church. Phillips home was also used for the celebration of many church services until 1959.<br />
<br />
<br />
In its borough days, Carrick also had the first filtered water supply in western Pennsylvania; with 180 pounds per square inch of pressure; coming from the South Pittsburgh water plant, located at Beck’s run. Carrick boro and its business men had already begun paving its streets and sidewalks; with planks of wood three inches thick. John MacFarlane Phillips; for the most part paid for two such sidewalks, they were from Becks Run , along Brownsville road to Mt Oliver. The first was four feet wide and the second was six feet wide. Once annexed into the city, some street names were changed to avoid duplication of existing street names,in use somewhere in Pittsburgh. Murray street became Madeline and the original bend in Murray Ave.{ Look between Mur ray’s R’s on the 1905 map} has since been straightened. Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew and was also a township road in The Baldwin township until 1927. Take a look at The Crailo plan, Southern Avenue land company on the 1905 map, Just north of Our homes. This area was owned by John Agnew, beginning with its narrow lots on the North side of the street that bears his name. One of my early assumptions about this area; have been proved correct, this fifty two acre parcel of land; was given to John Agnew and his wife; by her father. Agnew and Chambers operated a glass works there. I contacted, Susan Buyers; An Agnew relative to ask if Agnew and Chambers had taken over Englert glass; the first glass factory in Pittsburgh. She did '''NOT verify''' that question. But If she had , another early historic puzzle piece would fall into place. Since the name Englertville was the local name prior to 1753 and when Doctor Brown set up the first post office naming it Carrick after his home town of Carrick au Suir, in Tipperary Ireland. <br />
<br />
John Agnew’s new home, likely faced the Southern road, (Brownsville road) after looking at a drawing of that house, I Assume;… for the moment ; that it sat where the BP gas station is today. If Agnew also had his South Side glass factory, this older Englert site was razed and resold in small lots; perhaps many of these new residents; were employee’s at his South Side glass works. The Concord church shown on this 1905 map is the “Stone” church where we vote. The original Concord church was a “Wooden” church, Both of the “Concord churches “will show on another survey map, available at Historic Pittsburgh; dated 1916. See the photo of the wooden church below. It was moved away from Brownsville road, Perhaps by Eichley {as they are World Famous for such things} of Pittsburgh but sat for a time in what is now their parking lot. It was used as a high school. '''Please note that I have included only ;...small portions of the maps available at Historic Pittsburgh.'''''Italic text'' <br />
<br />
The convent of Passionist nuns , in the photo above is located at 2700 Churchview Avenue at Spencer. <br />
The map to follow displays name and neighbor hood changes since 1905. This map section is from Concord church and north. On this map, also from 1905, you can see that there were four “ island ;.. flower planters” on THE Boulevard. Looking South /down from there you can see the name Phillips ave. and not, East Meyers Avenue.</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=User:Jkrynock&diff=90User:Jkrynock2008-06-22T18:41:54Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
<hr />
<div>An Introduction and short History of the Carrick Overbrook Historical Society<br />
<br />
"My", First order of business; "The Hornaday road report."<br />
<br />
John Rudiak and I,{Joe Krynock} were talking at the 2007 Hornaday Road, block party. John mentioned that he was going to the Recorder of Deeds office to research deed information for his home and also, for his daughter’s home. Since I wanted to explore my homes past and to determine a build date for my place, John and I planned to go there together. I had researched deeds before But that seamed long ago. As we talked more during the block party, other neighbors mentioned historic info about their homes or rumored information of "OUR" neighborhood. Yet no one knew things for sure. Since John had already been living here; when I moved into Carrick. (in 1982) I asked John, if he knew any historic details about Hornaday Road.<br />
<br />
"Not really" he said. <br />
<br />
I told him that A Pittsburgh "Councilman” named Phillips was a friend of William T. Hornaday. In fact; when they were not hunting together, they promoted stuff like Boy Scouting, better zoos and conservation.<br />
<br />
“This Hornaday?, “Who was he?” John asked.<br />
<br />
So, I told him; " William T. Hornaday was a Conservation minded Writer But He was also a taxidermist and the director;.. at the Bronx zoo ."<br />
<br />
"How did you find that?” John asked.<br />
<br />
“Honestly, by accident!" Years ago; I bought a bargain priced book; called “Buck fever”, mostly because it written by Mike Sajna,{now deceased} a name I recognised. Mike Sajna's book was printed by the University of Pittsburgh Press. It was about deer hunting and Pennsylvania Game Commission history. I stated that I wanted to expand on,that small bit of information,... Someday!<br />
<br />
John said," Well,you are retired!"<br />
<br />
I went to bed with that thought in my head. The next morning, (after the "Late night Party") ; I found my copy of “Buck fever” and re-read pages 68 to 78 to refresh my memory. Then I sent this e mail to John on Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:01:16 AM Subject: Hornaday history;<br />
<br />
Hey John, Perhaps we could collaborate on a Hornaday history, A kind of story or report; (Hopefully /certainly it would be done),..before the next; 2008 block party. JOE K<br />
<br />
With these few clues we started “OUR” search @ August 20th 2007. John and I started at the Recorder of Deeds office downtown. We researched thru many Deed books to track both of our property records. In the process; John found some information about J.B.Murray's housing plan; a map and information related to all of the homes and owners in the area. "IT" raised questions and eyebrows.<br />
<br />
A short time later, We went to the local library. We asked if they had any local or Historical information there. They did, the librarian on duty showed us where to begin. Quite quickly we were surprised. Aparently a man named Joe Spiceker??? Had been archiving items for many years already and had assembled many binders of information. As John and I broused through the files; John found a crumpled piece of paper, with something inside it. It was a metal badge, from a former fireman when Carrick was a borough. John and I both felt that this item was of "Historic" importance to the community. John immeadiately showed it to the libraian, asking if there was a "Secure" place where she could store it. As we looked at the collection of photos and news articals, we found that some were missing and / or shuffled somewhat as to page numbers. John commented that if all this stuff was loaded into computor format,... it would be easier to protect and collect. Old photos lay at the bottom of a drawer, perhaps they fell out or they were never identified and mounted. <br />
<br />
'''Computors are not''' what I did for my living and I felt that my plan for a short letter to the neighbors;... had suddenly gone much deeper. John suggested that instead of saving our own copies, (probobly reams of paper and info) at our homes,…that we load it all ; into a website for anyone (Not Just Hornaday residents) to explore in their own time and leisure. So,... it was John who took me into this new and uncharted territory, with the website idea.<br />
<br />
Often and Independently; we looked for maps and stuff on internet sites. I found the Historic Pittsburgh Project. Among their sources and maps; was this survey map dated 1905 and I showed it to John. It showed that a John Phillips had owned a piano shaped piece of land for “ his mansion ” when it faced the Southern Ave. (also known as Brownsville road; the Southern Road ” or “ The plank road, and /or the toll road”} From Pittsburgh to Brownsville Pennsylvania.) <br />
This property extended ; EASTWARD > to the Rehman family property from; ” The Southern Ave, In those early years; Brownsville was on the first “National Road”; known as route 40 today. It follows British General Braddock’s campaign trail to our area. It served as the first road to the west,(thru Pittsburgh),from ports along the Atlantic coast. Lewis and Clark began their epic explorations,from Pittsburgh’s three rivers. <br />
So, at one time, Before there was a “Hornaday road“; John Phillips owned the entire flat top area of what is now; “Our Hornaday Road” or at least those with addresses from 95 to 163. (By my guess timate;he had about 18 acres. Here are my assumptions and facts,> I added, lot6 [ 6 acres and 115 perches]and lot 7[> 6 acres and 42 perches ] = 12 acres + 157 perches,almost 13 acres for those two lots alone ; since 160 perches equals one acre. Without all dimensions for lots 1 > 5 that face Brownsville road between Agnew and Madeline; and two lots showing , 5.73 perches each ,….Assuming,…. those lots are equal and amount to > 28.65 perches > I guessed another 5.58 acres for lots 1 thru 5 ; where his home apparently sat .{160 perches equals one acre / which is 208.71 ft by / 208.71 = 43559.8641 sq. feet)<br />
<br />
Next ; We continued searching for details of Hornaday and Phillips family members, at the John Heinz history center. We learned that John Phillips was vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company (Formerly known as Lewis and Phillips on the South side, at 12th street on the river) His Mansion sat on lot 3 ; back from Brownsville road (where Hornaday Road is now)and his ”Governor’s style” curved driveway, likely for his horse drawn carriage was built about the time of the Civil war, curved away from his home to meet the streets; we NOW know as Agnew and Madeline. These street name changes will be explained later.<br />
<br />
The number 1 Lot, near Philips Mansion is the Zion church property now. This map above; also shows Southern Ave./ also known as Brownsville road , Murray street in now called Madeline, on this map; Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew. (More details of that area later.) <br />
<br />
Hornaday Road, did not exist according to this @ 1905 map ,though plans for our homes and lots were done by a J.B.Murray, John Phillips only owned lots 1 thru 7. It should be easy for Hornaday residents to imagine “Our” road thru the center of his Homestead / Mansion and property Eastward to the bend in Hornaday road and then downhill; beginning at Reaman.(This section lead down hill to August Waldman's farm,where "Hornaday meets Dowling and was called Waldman until '''>>1913???/ I need to check ny notes and dates of zoning changes''') <br />
Rihman Heirs {note spelling change} <br />
The Bielau property was on the left/ or North side of the down hill section , with Benarding down to Dowling street, note Concord school ( number 3?) property on lot 11.<br />
Continuing the list of land owners involved with Hornaday Road at that time, We find the Bielau plan of lots beginning with address 201 downhill to approximately 229.<br />
Bernarding owned lots adjoining these, additional odd numbered addresses to 251? <br />
Directly on the opposite/ southern side were lots that were divided from August Waldman’s farm. In fact; this section of our road was called Waldman until several zoning changes were made in 1913. The earlier plan was to connect another 364 foot long section of road from Agnew to Hornaday road, but this would connect three sections of Red rose; (all 1202 feet long) but that would have required eliminating John Rudiaks lot and home at 219 Hornaday road.<br />
<br />
Eliza Weber owned all the lots on the eastern side of Redrose. At this time ten homes facing Redrose and perhaps four more facing Hornaday; share her original property. Roughly speaking, fourteen of the 22 addresses listed on this street seam to have been built by the same builder and many at about the same time; 1927. There are older homes, dated from 1876, 1900, 1904, 1907 and 1910; if county records were always correct. As shown on the accompanying plan of lots, William F Seiger owned approximately two acres which was divided into 14 parcels. Ten lots were on the western side of Redrose and four lots were to face Hornaday. Two homes, at 218 and 220 Hornaday were built on lots three and four. My home at 216 was built on lots one and two.<br />
<br />
Prior to 1927, this area, was known as; Carrick borough; Lower Saint Clair and a part of The Baldwin township ; Carrick borough by a earlier dated local vote was officially annexed into the city of Pittsburgh ; in 1927. The Old and narrow borough building , is at 1808 Brownsville road , left of the old fire hall {More about “ it “later} Before 1927, Carrick already had the first sewerage system in western Pennsylvania; just step out to Hornaday road to see the Carrick Boro logos, that John Rudiak found and photographed, on our manhole covers. <br />
A close examination of the Carrick post card photo of John Phillips home,(From Carol Anthony) reveals a platform and a telescope pointed skyward at the center of the roof. John Phillips had a son in 1864, named John. (No middle initial) At this point in time not much else; is known about him.<br />
<br />
John MacFarlane Phillips; Born in 1861 is our connection to William T. Hornaday. John M. Phillips was not the son But a nephew of John Phillip’s; the vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company. A better explanation follows in the paragraph below, it is a direct copy from Mike Sajna, in his book “Buck Fever” see pg 69. <br />
<br />
John MacFarlane Phillips was born February 15th. 1861. He was the son of James Phillips, one of the founders of the Oliver Iron and Steel Company, whose own father had come to Western Pennsylvania from Northern Ireland in 1795 to work as a blacksmith. Phillips attended public schools and then studied engineering and was made superintendent of the bolt works and forging plants of the Lewis Oliver and Phillip’s company. Later he became manager of the company’s mining equipment department and in 1899, with his Uncle John, purchased the company’s mine supply division and established the Phillip’s mine and Mill supply company. He was that company’s President one year later (1890)<br />
<br />
{not bad at age 29 after starting at the south side company in 1880.< from John Heinz history center sources} <br />
<br />
At this point of my history search, I do not know exactly when, our man;“ John M ” Phillips and Hornaday met; I do know that He and Hornaday were hunting together in British Columbia in 1901. They were involved in many aspects of Game protection. The mad rush to the WEST,had nearly wiped out all fur bearers, noteably Buffalo and Beavers.<br />
<br />
There are references in various news articles that John M. Had married at that time and took his new bride (Harriet Duff - Phillip’s) to a ranch, where she stayed for a month. Hornaday and Phillips were in Colorado by 1903, by 1906 Phillip’s was an illustrator for another of Hornaday’s many conservation minded books; “Campfire in the Canadian Rockies” <br />
In 1907 they were in Mexico and as they had done before; Hornaday and Phillips donated even more animals from their hunts,for displays in Museums. At the Carnegie museum in Oakland, At least one of Phillips displays remains; in the hall of mammals; it is a glass enclosure of a family of Cheetahs. However, sharing time and common interests generally leads to more of the same. Their common interests; Zoos, conservation, camping and hunting helped bring these men together; there was a seven year age difference between them. Hornaday and Phillips realized that outdoor training and conservation / awareness would be fostered in youth thru Boy Scouting. They were not alone in their thinking. <br />
According to Mike Sajna; John MacFarlane Phillips organized the First Boy Scout troop in Pennsylvania, in 1910; it was the Second such troop in America. Phillip’s provided its members with a place to meet; in his home at 2336 Brownsville road. {At this point in time I am awaiting additional information , and//or confirmation of some of these details from a contact in the Pgh. Boy Scouts} Since February of 2008. This location is now the site of Saint Piax church, a small remnant of the original “castellated” stone wall remains between the church and the New Concord School, '''But most likely ,… not for long.'''''Italic text''. In front of the Church the wall had been lowered But it returns to it’s original “castellated” height and location in front of the 1907 home to the right of the church. Phillips home was also used for the celebration of many church services until 1959.<br />
<br />
<br />
In its borough days, Carrick also had the first filtered water supply in western Pennsylvania; with 180 pounds per square inch of pressure; coming from the South Pittsburgh water plant, located at Beck’s run. Carrick boro and its business men had already begun paving its streets and sidewalks; with planks of wood three inches thick. John MacFarlane Phillips; for the most part paid for two such sidewalks, they were from Becks Run , along Brownsville road to Mt Oliver. The first was four feet wide and the second was six feet wide. Once annexed into the city, some street names were changed to avoid duplication of existing street names,in use somewhere in Pittsburgh. Murray street became Madeline and the original bend in Murray Ave.{ Look between Mur ray’s R’s on the 1905 map} has since been straightened. Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew and was also a township road in The Baldwin township until 1927. Take a look at The Crailo plan, Southern Avenue land company on the 1905 map, Just north of Our homes. This area was owned by John Agnew, beginning with its narrow lots on the North side of the street that bears his name. One of my early assumptions about this area; have been proved correct, this fifty two acre parcel of land; was given to John Agnew and his wife; by her father. Agnew and Chambers operated a glass works there. I contacted, Susan Buyers; An Agnew relative to ask if Agnew and Chambers had taken over Englert glass; the first glass factory in Pittsburgh. She did '''NOT verify''' that question. But If she had , another early historic puzzle piece would fall into place. Since the name Englertville was the local name prior to 1753 and when Doctor Brown set up the first post office naming it Carrick after his home town of Carrick au Suir, in Tipperary Ireland. <br />
<br />
John Agnew’s new home, likely faced the Southern road, (Brownsville road) after looking at a drawing of that house, I Assume;… for the moment ; that it sat where the BP gas station is today. If Agnew also had his South Side glass factory, this older Englert site was razed and resold in small lots; perhaps many of these new residents; were employee’s at his South Side glass works. The Concord church shown on this 1905 map is the “Stone” church where we vote. The original Concord church was a “Wooden” church, Both of the “Concord churches “will show on another survey map, available at Historic Pittsburgh; dated 1916. See the photo of the wooden church below. It was moved away from Brownsville road, Perhaps by Eichley {as they are World Famous for such things} of Pittsburgh but sat for a time in what is now their parking lot. It was used as a high school. '''Please note that I have included only ;...small portions of the maps available at Historic Pittsburgh.'''''Italic text'' <br />
<br />
The convent of Passionist nuns , in the photo above is located at 2700 Churchview Avenue at Spencer. <br />
The map to follow displays name and neighbor hood changes since 1905. This map section is from Concord church and north. On this map, also from 1905, you can see that there were four “ island ;.. flower planters” on THE Boulevard. Looking South /down from there you can see the name Phillips ave. and not, East Meyers Avenue.</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=User:Jkrynock&diff=77User:Jkrynock2008-06-19T19:22:03Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
<hr />
<div>An Introduction and short History of the Carrick Overbrook Historical Society<br />
<br />
"My", First order of business; "The Hornaday road report."<br />
<br />
John Rudiak and I,{Joe Krynock} were talking at the 2007 Hornaday Road, block party. John mentioned that he was going to the Recorder of Deeds office to research deed information for his home and also, for his daughter’s home. Since I wanted to explore my homes past and to determine a build date for my place, John and I planned to go there together. I had researched deeds before But that seamed long ago. As we talked more during the block party, other neighbors mentioned historic info about their homes or rumored information of "OUR" neighborhood. Yet no one knew things for sure. Since John had already been living here when I moved into Carrick (in 1982) I asked John, if he knew any historic details about Hornaday Road. "Not really" he said. I told him that A Pittsburgh "Councilman” named Phillips was a friend of William T. Hornaday. In fact; when they were not hunting together, they promoted stuff like Boy Scouting, better zoos and conservation. “This Hornaday?, “Who was he?” John asked. So, I told him; " William T. Hornaday was a Writer, a taxidermist and the director of the Bronx zoo." ” How did you find that?” John asked.<br />
“Honestly, by accident!" Years ago; I bought a bargain priced book; called “Buck fever”, mostly because it written by Mike Sajna,{now deceased} a name I recognised. Mike Sajna's book was printed by the University of Pittsburgh Press. It was about deer hunting and Pennsylvania Game Commission history.I stated that I wanted to expand on,that small bit of information,... Someday! <br />
John said," Well,you are retired!" <br />
The next morning, (after the "Late night Party") ; I found my copy of “Buck fever” and re-read pages 68 to 78 to refresh my memory. Then I sent this e mail to John on Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:01:16 AM Subject: Hornaday history;<br />
Hey John, Perhaps we could collaborate on a Hornaday history, A kind of story or report; Hopefully before the next; 2008 block party. JOE K<br />
<br />
With these few clues we started “OUR” search @ August 20th 2007. John and I started at the Recorder of Deeds office downtown. We researched thru many Deed books to track both of our property records. In the process; John found some information about J.B.Murray's housing plan; a map and information related to all of the homes and owners in the area. "IT" raised questions and eyebrows.<br />
<br />
A short time later, We went to the local library. We asked if they had any local or Historical information there. They did, the librarian on duty showed us where to begin. Quite quickly we were surprised. Aparently a man named Joe Spiceker??? Had been archiving items for many years already and had assembled many binders of information. As John and I broused through the files; John found a crumpled piece of paper, with something inside it. It was a metal badge, from a former fireman when Carrick was a borough. John and I both felt that this item was of "Historic" importance to the community. John immeadiately showed it to the libraian, asking if there was a "Secure" place where she could store it. As we looked at the collection of photos and news articals, we found that some were missing and / or shuffled somewhat as to page numbers. John commented that if all this stuff was loaded into computor format,... it would be easier to protect and collect. Old photos lay at the bottom of a drawer, perhaps they fell out or they were never identified and mounted. <br />
<br />
'''Computors are not''' what I did for my living and I felt that my plan for a short letter to the neighbors;... had suddenly gone much deeper. John suggested that instead of saving our own copies, (probobly reams of paper and info) at our homes,…that we load it all ; into a website for anyone (Not Just Hornaday residents) to explore in their own time and leisure. So,... it was John who took me into this new and uncharted territory, with the website idea.<br />
<br />
Often and Independently; we looked for maps and stuff on internet sites. I found the Historic Pittsburgh Project. Among their sources and maps; was this survey map dated 1905 and I showed it to John. It showed that a John Phillips had owned a piano shaped piece of land for “ his mansion ” when it faced the Southern Ave. (also known as Brownsville road; the Southern Road ” or “ The plank road, and /or the toll road”} From Pittsburgh to Brownsville Pennsylvania.) <br />
This property extended ; EASTWARD > to the Rehman family property from; ” The Southern Ave, In those early years; Brownsville was on the first “National Road”; known as route 40 today. It follows British General Braddock’s campaign trail to our area. It served as the first road to the west,(thru Pittsburgh),from ports along the Atlantic coast. Lewis and Clark began their epic explorations,from Pittsburgh’s three rivers. <br />
So, at one time, Before there was a “Hornaday road“; John Phillips owned the entire flat top area of what is now; “Our Hornaday Road” or at least those with addresses from 95 to 163. (By my guess timate;he had about 18 acres. Here are my assumptions and facts,> I added, lot6 [ 6 acres and 115 perches]and lot 7[> 6 acres and 42 perches ] = 12 acres + 157 perches,almost 13 acres for those two lots alone ; since 160 perches equals one acre. Without all dimensions for lots 1 > 5 that face Brownsville road between Agnew and Madeline; and two lots showing , 5.73 perches each ,….Assuming,…. those lots are equal and amount to > 28.65 perches > I guessed another 5.58 acres for lots 1 thru 5 ; where his home apparently sat .{160 perches equals one acre / which is 208.71 ft by / 208.71 = 43559.8641 sq. feet)<br />
<br />
Next ; We continued searching for details of Hornaday and Phillips family members, at the John Heinz history center. We learned that John Phillips was vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company (Formerly known as Lewis and Phillips on the South side, at 12th street on the river) His Mansion sat on lot 3 ; back from Brownsville road (where Hornaday Road is now)and his ”Governor’s style” curved driveway, likely for his horse drawn carriage was built about the time of the Civil war, curved away from his home to meet the streets; we NOW know as Agnew and Madeline. These street name changes will be explained later.<br />
<br />
The number 1 Lot, near Philips Mansion is the Zion church property now. This map above; also shows Southern Ave./ also known as Brownsville road , Murray street in now called Madeline, on this map; Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew. (More details of that area later.) <br />
<br />
Hornaday Road, did not exist according to this @ 1905 map ,though plans for our homes and lots were done by a J.B.Murray, John Phillips only owned lots 1 thru 7. It should be easy for Hornaday residents to imagine “Our” road thru the center of his Homestead / Mansion and property Eastward to the bend in Hornaday road and then downhill; beginning at Reaman.(This section lead down hill to August Waldman's farm,where "Hornaday meets Dowling and was called Waldman until '''>>1913???/ I need to check ny notes and dates of zoning changes''') <br />
Rihman Heirs {note spelling change} <br />
The Bielau property was on the left/ or North side of the down hill section , with Benarding down to Dowling street, note Concord school ( number 3?) property on lot 11.<br />
Continuing the list of land owners involved with Hornaday Road at that time, We find the Bielau plan of lots beginning with address 201 downhill to approximately 229.<br />
Bernarding owned lots adjoining these, additional odd numbered addresses to 251? <br />
Directly on the opposite/ southern side were lots that were divided from August Waldman’s farm. In fact; this section of our road was called Waldman until several zoning changes were made in 1913. The earlier plan was to connect another 364 foot long section of road from Agnew to Hornaday road, but this would connect three sections of Red rose; (all 1202 feet long) but that would have required eliminating John Rudiaks lot and home at 219 Hornaday road.<br />
<br />
Eliza Weber owned all the lots on the eastern side of Redrose. At this time ten homes facing Redrose and perhaps four more facing Hornaday; share her original property. Roughly speaking, fourteen of the 22 addresses listed on this street seam to have been built by the same builder and many at about the same time; 1927. There are older homes, dated from 1876, 1900, 1904, 1907 and 1910; if county records were always correct. As shown on the accompanying plan of lots, William F Seiger owned approximately two acres which was divided into 14 parcels. Ten lots were on the western side of Redrose and four lots were to face Hornaday. Two homes, at 218 and 220 Hornaday were built on lots three and four. My home at 216 was built on lots one and two.<br />
<br />
Prior to 1927, this area, was known as; Carrick borough; Lower Saint Clair and a part of The Baldwin township ; Carrick borough by a earlier dated local vote was officially annexed into the city of Pittsburgh ; in 1927. The Old and narrow borough building , is at 1808 Brownsville road , left of the old fire hall {More about “ it “later} Before 1927, Carrick already had the first sewerage system in western Pennsylvania; just step out to Hornaday road to see the Carrick Boro logos, that John Rudiak found and photographed, on our manhole covers. <br />
A close examination of the Carrick post card photo of John Phillips home,(From Carol Anthony) reveals a platform and a telescope pointed skyward at the center of the roof. John Phillips had a son in 1864, named John. (No middle initial) At this point in time not much else; is known about him.<br />
<br />
John MacFarlane Phillips; Born in 1861 is our connection to William T. Hornaday. John M. Phillips was not the son But a nephew of John Phillip’s; the vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company. A better explanation follows in the paragraph below, it is a direct copy from Mike Sajna, in his book “Buck Fever” see pg 69. <br />
<br />
John MacFarlane Phillips was born February 15th. 1861. He was the son of James Phillips, one of the founders of the Oliver Iron and Steel Company, whose own father had come to Western Pennsylvania from Northern Ireland in 1795 to work as a blacksmith. Phillips attended public schools and then studied engineering and was made superintendent of the bolt works and forging plants of the Lewis Oliver and Phillip’s company. Later he became manager of the company’s mining equipment department and in 1899, with his Uncle John, purchased the company’s mine supply division and established the Phillip’s mine and Mill supply company. He was that company’s President one year later (1890)<br />
<br />
{not bad at age 29 after starting at the south side company in 1880.< from John Heinz history center sources} <br />
<br />
At this point of my history search, I do not know exactly when, our man;“ John M ” Phillips and Hornaday met; I do know that He and Hornaday were hunting together in British Columbia in 1901. They were involved in many aspects of Game protection. The mad rush to the WEST,had nearly wiped out all fur bearers, noteably Buffalo and Beavers.<br />
<br />
There are references in various news articles that John M. Had married at that time and took his new bride (Harriet Duff - Phillip’s) to a ranch, where she stayed for a month. Hornaday and Phillips were in Colorado by 1903, by 1906 Phillip’s was an illustrator for another of Hornaday’s many conservation minded books; “Campfire in the Canadian Rockies” <br />
In 1907 they were in Mexico and as they had done before; Hornaday and Phillips donated even more animals from their hunts,for displays in Museums. At the Carnegie museum in Oakland, At least one of Phillips displays remains; in the hall of mammals; it is a glass enclosure of a family of Cheetahs. However, sharing time and common interests generally leads to more of the same. Their common interests; Zoos, conservation, camping and hunting helped bring these men together; there was a seven year age difference between them. Hornaday and Phillips realized that outdoor training and conservation / awareness would be fostered in youth thru Boy Scouting. They were not alone in their thinking. <br />
According to Mike Sajna; John MacFarlane Phillips organized the First Boy Scout troop in Pennsylvania, in 1910; it was the Second such troop in America. Phillip’s provided its members with a place to meet; in his home at 2336 Brownsville road. {At this point in time I am awaiting additional information , and//or confirmation of some of these details from a contact in the Pgh. Boy Scouts} Since February of 2008. This location is now the site of Saint Piax church, a small remnant of the original “castellated” stone wall remains between the church and the New Concord School, '''But most likely ,… not for long.'''''Italic text''. In front of the Church the wall had been lowered But it returns to it’s original “castellated” height and location in front of the 1907 home to the right of the church. Phillips home was also used for the celebration of many church services until 1959.<br />
<br />
<br />
In its borough days, Carrick also had the first filtered water supply in western Pennsylvania; with 180 pounds per square inch of pressure; coming from the South Pittsburgh water plant, located at Beck’s run. Carrick boro and its business men had already begun paving its streets and sidewalks; with planks of wood three inches thick. John MacFarlane Phillips; for the most part paid for two such sidewalks, they were from Becks Run , along Brownsville road to Mt Oliver. The first was four feet wide and the second was six feet wide. Once annexed into the city, some street names were changed to avoid duplication of existing street names,in use somewhere in Pittsburgh. Murray street became Madeline and the original bend in Murray Ave.{ Look between Mur ray’s R’s on the 1905 map} has since been straightened. Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew and was also a township road in The Baldwin township until 1927. Take a look at The Crailo plan, Southern Avenue land company on the 1905 map, Just north of Our homes. This area was owned by John Agnew, beginning with its narrow lots on the North side of the street that bears his name. One of my early assumptions about this area; have been proved correct, this fifty two acre parcel of land; was given to John Agnew and his wife; by her father. Agnew and Chambers operated a glass works there. I contacted, Susan Buyers; An Agnew relative to ask if Agnew and Chambers had taken over Englert glass; the first glass factory in Pittsburgh. She did '''NOT verify''' that question. But If she had , another early historic puzzle piece would fall into place. Since the name Englertville was the local name prior to 1753 and when Doctor Brown set up the first post office naming it Carrick after his home town of Carrick au Suir, in Tipperary Ireland. <br />
<br />
John Agnew’s new home, likely faced the Southern road, (Brownsville road) after looking at a drawing of that house, I Assume;… for the moment ; that it sat where the BP gas station is today. If Agnew also had his South Side glass factory, this older Englert site was razed and resold in small lots; perhaps many of these new residents; were employee’s at his South Side glass works. The Concord church shown on this 1905 map is the “Stone” church where we vote. The original Concord church was a “Wooden” church, Both of the “Concord churches “will show on another survey map, available at Historic Pittsburgh; dated 1916. See the photo of the wooden church below. It was moved away from Brownsville road, Perhaps by Eichley {as they are World Famous for such things} of Pittsburgh but sat for a time in what is now their parking lot. It was used as a high school. '''Please note that I have included only ;...small portions of the maps available at Historic Pittsburgh.'''''Italic text'' <br />
<br />
The convent of Passionist nuns , in the photo above is located at 2700 Churchview Avenue at Spencer. <br />
The map to follow displays name and neighbor hood changes since 1905. This map section is from Concord church and north. On this map, also from 1905, you can see that there were four “ island ;.. flower planters” on THE Boulevard. Looking South /down from there you can see the name Phillips ave. and not, East Meyers Avenue.</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=User:Jkrynock&diff=76User:Jkrynock2008-06-19T17:35:04Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
<hr />
<div>Introduction and short History of the Carrick Overbrook Historical Society<br />
<br />
"My", First order of business; "The Hornaday road report."<br />
<br />
John Rudiak and I,{Joe Krynock} were talking at the 2007 Hornaday Road, block party. John mentioned that he was going to the Recorder of Deeds office to research deed information for his home and also, for his daughter’s home. Since I wanted to explore my homes past and to determine a build date for my place, John and I planned to go there together. I had researched deeds before But that seamed long ago. As we talked more during the block party, other neighbors mentioned historic info about their homes or rumored information of "OUR" neighborhood. Yet no one knew things for sure. Since John had already been living here when I moved into Carrick (in 1982) I asked John, if he knew any historic details about Hornaday Road. "Not really" he said. I told him that A Pittsburgh "Councilman” named Phillips was a friend of William T. Hornaday. In fact; when they were not hunting together, they promoted stuff like Boy Scouting, better zoos and conservation. “This Hornaday?,“Who was he?” John asked. So, I told him; " William T. Hornaday was a Writer, a taxidermist and the director of the Bronx zoo." ” How did you find that?” John asked.“ Honestly, by accident! Years ago; I bought a bargain priced book; called “Buck fever”, mostly because it written by Mike Sajna,{now deceased} a name I recognised. Mike Sajna's book was printed by the University of Pittsburgh Press. It was about deer hunting and Pennsylvania Game Commission history.I stated that I wanted to expand on,that small bit of information,... Someday!<br />
<br />
John said " Well,you are retired!"<br />
<br />
The next morning, (after the "Late night Party"); I found my copy of “Buck fever” and re-read pages 68 to 78 to refresh my memory. Then I sent this e mail to John on Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:01:16 AM Subject: Hornaday history;<br />
Hey John, Perhaps we could collaborate on a Hornaday history, A kind of story or report; Hopefully before the next; 2008 block party. JOE K<br />
<br />
With these few clues we started “OUR” search @ August 20th 2007. John and I started at the Recorder of Deeds office downtown. We researched thru many Deed books to track both of our property records. In the process; John found some information about J.B.Murray's housing plan; a map and information related to all of the homes and owners in the area. "IT" raised questions and eyebrows.<br />
<br />
A short time later, We went to the local library. We asked if they had any local or Historical information there. They did, the librarian on duty showed us where to begin. Quite quickly we were surprised. Aparently a man named Joe Spiceker??? Had been archiving items for many years already and had assembled many binders of information. As John and I broused through the files; John found a crumpled piece of paper, with something inside it. It was a metal badge, from a former fireman when Carrick was a borough. John and I both felt that this item was of "Historic" importance to the community. John immeadiately showed it to the libraian, asking if there was a "Secure" place where she could store it. As we looked at the collection of photos and news articals, we found that some were missing and / or shuffled somewhat as to page numbers. John commented that if all this stuff was loaded into computor format,... it would be easier to protect and collect. Old photos lay at the bottom of a drawer, perhaps they fell out or they were never identified and mounted. '''Computors are not''' what I did for my living and I felt that my plan for a short letter to the neighbors;... had suddenly gone much deeper. <br />
So,... it was John who took me into a new and uncharted territory, with a website idea. John suggested that instead of saving reams of paper and info at our homes,…that we load it all ; into a website for anyone (Not Just Hornaday residents)to explore in their own time and leisure.<br />
Often and Independently; we looked for maps and stuff on internet sites. I found the Historic Pittsburgh Project. Among their sources and maps; was this survey map dated 1905 and I showed it to John. It showed that a John Phillips had owned a piano shaped piece of land for “ his mansion ” when it faced the Southern Ave. (also known as Brownsville road; the Southern Road ” or “ The plank road, and /or the toll road”} From Pittsburgh to Brownsville Pennsylvania.) <br />
This property extended ; EASTWARD > to the Rehman family property from; ” The Southern Ave,<br />
In those early years; Brownsville was on the first “National Road”; known as route 40 today. It follows British General Braddock’s campaign trail to our area. It served as the first road to the west,(thru Pittsburgh),from ports along the Atlantic coast. Lewis and Clark began their epic explorations,from Pittsburgh’s three rivers. <br />
So, at one time, Before there was a “Hornaday road“; John Phillips owned the entire flat top area of what is now; “Our Hornaday Road” or at least those with addresses from 95 to 163.<br />
(By my guess timate;he had about 18 acres. Here are my assumptions and facts,> I added, lot6 [ 6 acres and 115 perches]and lot 7[> 6 acres and 42 perches ] = 12 acres + 157 perches,almost 13 acres for those two lots alone ; since 160 perches equals one acre. Without all dimensions for lots 1 > 5 that face Brownsville road between Agnew and Madeline; and two lots showing , 5.73 perches each ,….Assuming,…. those lots are equal and amount to > 28.65 perches > I guessed another 5.58 acres for lots 1 thru 5 ; where his home apparently sat .{160 perches equals one acre / which is 208.71 ft by / 208.71 = 43559.8641 sq. feet) <br />
Next ; We continued searching for details of Hornaday and Phillips family members, at the John Heinz history center. We learned that John Phillips was vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company (Formerly known as Lewis and Phillips on the South side, at 12th street on the river) His Mansion sat on lot 3 ; back from Brownsville road (where Hornaday Road is now)and his ”Governor’s style” curved driveway, likely for his horse drawn carriage was built about the time of the Civil war, curved away from his home to meet the streets; we NOW know as Agnew and Madeline. These street name changes will be explained later.<br />
<br />
The number 1 Lot, near Philips Mansion is the Zion church property now. This map above; also shows Southern Ave./ also known as Brownsville road , Murray street in now called Madeline, on this map; Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew. (More details of that area later.) <br />
<br />
Hornaday Road, did not exist according to this @ 1905 map ,though plans for our homes and lots were done by a J.B.Murray, John Phillips only owned lots 1 thru 7. It should be easy for Hornaday residents to imagine “Our” road thru the center of his Homestead / Mansion and property Eastward to the bend in Hornaday road and then downhill;beginning at Reaman.(This section lead down to August Waldman's farm, and was called Waldman until >>1913???/ I need to check ny notes and dates of zoning changes) Rihman Heirs {note spelling change} Bielau property then down hill to Dowling street, note Concord school ( number 3?)property on lot 11.<br />
<br />
A close examination of the Carrick post card photo of John Phillips home,(From Carol Anthony) reveals a platform and a telescope pointed skyward at the center of the roof. John Phillips had a son in 1864, named John. (No middle initial) At this point in time not much else; is known about him.<br />
<br />
John MacFarlane Phillips; Born in 1861 is our connection to William T. Hornaday. John M. Phillips was not the son But a nephew of John Phillip’s; the vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company. A better explanation follows in the paragraph below, it is a direct copy from Mike Sajna, in his book “Buck Fever” see pg 69. <br />
<br />
John MacFarlane Phillips was born February 15th. 1861. He was the son of James Phillips, one of the founders of the Oliver Iron and Steel Company, whose own father had come to Western Pennsylvania from Northern Ireland in 1795 to work as a blacksmith. Phillips attended public schools and then studied engineering and was made superintendent of the bolt works and forging plants of the Lewis Oliver and Phillip’s company. Later he became manager of the company’s mining equipment department and in 1899, with his Uncle John, purchased the company’s mine supply division and established the Phillip’s mine and Mill supply company. He was that company’s President one year later (1890)<br />
<br />
{not bad at age 29 after starting at the south side company in 1880.< from John Heinz history center sources} <br />
<br />
At this point of my history search, I do not know exactly when, our man;“ John M ” Phillips and Hornaday met; I do know that He and Hornaday were hunting together in British Columbia in 1901. They were involved in many aspects of Game protection. The mad rush to the WEST,had nearly wiped out all fur bearers, noteably Buffalo and Beavers.<br />
<br />
There are references in various news articles that John M. Had married at that time and took his new bride (Harriet Duff - Phillip’s) to a ranch, where she stayed for a month. Hornaday and Phillips were in Colorado by 1903, by 1906 Phillip’s was an illustrator for another of Hornaday’s many conservation minded books; “Campfire in the Canadian Rockies” <br />
In 1907 they were in Mexico and as they had done before; Hornaday and Phillips donated even more animals from their hunts,for displays in Museums. At the Carnegie museum in Oakland, At least one of Phillips displays remains; in the hall of mammals; it is a glass enclosure of a family of Cheetahs. However, sharing time and common interests generally leads to more of the same. Their common interests; Zoos, conservation, camping and hunting helped bring these men together; there was a seven year age difference between them. Hornaday and Phillips realized that outdoor training and conservation / awareness would be fostered in youth thru Boy Scouting. They were not alone in their thinking. <br />
According to Mike Sajna; John MacFarlane Phillips organized the First Boy Scout troop in Pennsylvania, in 1910; it was the Second such troop in America. Phillip’s provided its members with a place to meet; in his home at 2336 Brownsville road. {At this point in time I am awaiting additional information , and//or confirmation of some of these details from a contact in the Pgh. Boy Scouts} Since February of 2008. This location is now the site of Saint Piax church, a small remnant of the original “castellated” stone wall remains between the church and the New Concord School, '''But most likely ,… not for long.'''''Italic text''. In front of the Church the wall had been lowered But it returns to it’s original “castellated” height and location in front of the 1907 home to the right of the church. Phillips home was also used for the celebration of many church services until 1959.<br />
<br />
Continuing the list of land owners involved with Hornaday Road at that time, We find the Bielau plan of lots beginning with address 201 downhill to approximately 229.<br />
Bernarding owned lots adjoining these, additional odd numbered addresses to 251? <br />
Directly on the opposite side were lots that were divided from August Waldman’s farm. In fact; this section of our road was called Waldman until several zoning changes were made in 1913. The earlier plan was to connect another 364 foot long section of road from Agnew to Hornaday road, but this would connect three sections of Red rose; (all 1202 feet long) but that would have required eliminating John Rudiaks lot and home at 219 Hornaday road.<br />
<br />
Eliza Weber owned all the lots on the eastern side of Redrose. At this time ten homes facing Redrose and perhaps four more facing Hornaday; share her original property. Roughly speaking, fourteen of the 22 addresses listed on this street seam to have been built by the same builder and many at about the same time; 1927. There are older homes, dated from 1876, 1900, 1904, 1907 and 1910; if county records were always correct. As shown on the accompanying plan of lots, William F Seiger owned approximately two acres which was divided into 14 parcels. Ten lots were on the western side of Redrose and four lots were to face Hornaday. Two homes, at 218 and 220 Hornaday were built on lots three and four. My home at 216 was built on lots one and two.<br />
<br />
Prior to 1927, this area, was known as; Carrick borough; Lower Saint Clair and a part of The Baldwin township ; Carrick borough by a earlier dated local vote was officially annexed into the city of Pittsburgh ; in 1927. The Old and narrow borough building , is at 1808 Brownsville road , left of the old fire hall {More about “ it “later} Before 1927, Carrick already had the first sewerage system in western Pennsylvania; just step out to Hornaday road to see the Carrick Boro logos, that John Rudiak found and photographed, on our manhole covers. <br />
In its borough days, Carrick also had the first filtered water supply in western Pennsylvania; with 180 pounds per square inch of pressure; coming from the South Pittsburgh water plant, located at Beck’s run. Carrick boro and its business men had already begun paving its streets and sidewalks; with planks of wood three inches thick. John MacFarlane Phillips; for the most part paid for two such sidewalks, they were from Becks Run , along Brownsville road to Mt Oliver. The first was four feet wide and the second was six feet wide. Once annexed into the city, some street names were changed to avoid duplication of existing street names,in use somewhere in Pittsburgh. Murray street became Madeline and the original bend in Murray Ave.{ Look between Mur ray’s R’s on the 1905 map} has since been straightened. Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew and was also a township road in The Baldwin township until 1927. Take a look at The Crailo plan, Southern Avenue land company on the 1905 map, Just north of Our homes. This area was owned by John Agnew, beginning with its narrow lots on the North side of the street that bears his name. One of my early assumptions about this area; have been proved correct, this fifty two acre parcel of land; was given to John Agnew and his wife; by her father. Agnew and Chambers operated a glass works there. I contacted, Susan Buyers; An Agnew relative to ask if Agnew and Chambers had taken over Englert glass; the first glass factory in Pittsburgh. She did '''NOT verify''' that question. But If she had , another early historic puzzle piece would fall into place. Since the name Englertville was the local name prior to 1753 and when Doctor Brown set up the first post office naming it Carrick after his home town of Carrick au Suir, in Tipperary Ireland. <br />
<br />
John Agnew’s new home, likely faced the Southern road, (Brownsville road) after looking at a drawing of that house, I Assume;… for the moment ; that it sat where the BP gas station is today. If Agnew also had his South Side glass factory, this older Englert site was razed and resold in small lots; perhaps many of these new residents; were employee’s at his South Side glass works. The Concord church shown on this 1905 map is the “Stone” church where we vote. The original Concord church was a “Wooden” church, Both of the “Concord churches “will show on another survey map, available at Historic Pittsburgh; dated 1916. See the photo of the wooden church below. It was moved away from Brownsville road, Perhaps by Eichley {as they are World Famous for such things} of Pittsburgh but sat for a time in what is now their parking lot. It was used as a high school. '''Please note that I have included only ;...small portions of the maps available at Historic Pittsburgh.'''''Italic text'' <br />
<br />
The convent of Passionist nuns , in the photo above is located at 2700 Churchview Avenue at Spencer. <br />
The map to follow displays name and neighbor hood changes since 1905. This map section is from Concord church and north. On this map, also from 1905, you can see that there were four “ island ;.. flower planters” on THE Boulevard. Looking South /down from there you can see the name Phillips ave. and not, East Meyers Avenue.</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=User:Jkrynock&diff=75User:Jkrynock2008-06-19T17:26:57Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
<hr />
<div>Introduction and short History of the Carrick Overbrook Historical Society<br />
<br />
"My", First order of business; "The Hornaday road report."<br />
<br />
John Rudiak and I,{Joe Krynock} were talking at the 2007 Hornaday Road, block party. John mentioned that he was going to the Recorder of Deeds office to research deed information for his home and also, for his daughter’s home. Since I wanted to explore my homes past and to determine a build date for my place, John and I planned to go there together. I had researched deeds before But that seamed long ago. As we talked more during the block party, other neighbors mentioned historic info about their homes or rumored information of "OUR" neighborhood. Yet no one knew things for sure. Since John had already been living here when I moved into Carrick (in 1982) I asked John, if he knew any historic details about Hornaday Road. "Not really" he said. I told him that A Pittsburgh "Councilman” named Phillips was a friend of William T. Hornaday. In fact; when they were not hunting together, they promoted stuff like Boy Scouting, better zoos and conservation. “This Hornaday?,“Who was he?” John asked. So, I told him; " William T. Hornaday was a Writer, a taxidermist and the director of the Bronx zoo." ” How did you find that?” John asked.“ Honestly, by accident! Years ago; I bought a bargain priced book; called “Buck fever”, mostly because it written by Mike Sajna,{now deceased} a name I recognised. Mike Sajna's book was printed by the University of Pittsburgh Press. It was about deer hunting and Pennsylvania Game Commission history.I stated that I wanted to expand on,that small bit of information,... Someday!<br />
<br />
John said " Well,you are retired!"<br />
<br />
The next morning, (after the "Late night Party"); I found my copy of “Buck fever” and re-read pages 68 to 78 to refresh my memory. Then I sent this e mail to John on Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:01:16 AM Subject: Hornaday history;<br />
Hey John, Perhaps we could collaborate on a Hornaday history, A kind of story or report; Hopefully before the next; 2008 block party. JOE K<br />
<br />
With these few clues we started “OUR” search @ August 20th 2007. John and I started at the Recorder of Deeds office downtown. We researched thru many Deed books to track both of our property records. In the process; John found some information about J.B.Murray's housing plan; a map and information related to all of the homes and owners in the area. "IT" raised questions and eyebrows.<br />
<br />
A short time later, We went to the local library. We asked if they had any local or Historical information there. They did, the librarian on duty showed us where to begin. Quite quickly we were surprised. Aparently a man named Joe Spiceker??? Had been archiving items for many years already and had assembled many binders of information. As John and I broused through the files; John found a crumpled piece of paper, with something inside it. It was a metal badge, from a former fireman when Carrick was a borough. John and I both felt that this item was of "Historic" importance to the community. John immeadiately showed it to the libraian, asking if there was a "Secure" place where she could store it. As we looked at the collection of photos and news articals, we found that some were missing and / or shuffled somewhat as to page numbers. John commented that if all this stuff was loaded into computor format,... it would be easier to protect and collect. Old photos lay at the bottom of a drawer, perhaps they fell out or they were never identified and mounted. '''Computors are not''' what I did for my living and I felt that my plan for a short letter to the neighbors;... had suddenly gone much deeper. <br />
<br />
<br />
So,... it was John who took me into a new and uncharted territory, with a website idea. John suggested that instead of saving reams of paper and info at our homes,…that we load it all ; into a website for anyone (Not Just Hornaday residents)to explore in their own time and leisure.<br />
<br />
Often and Independently; we looked for maps and stuff on internet sites. I found the Historic Pittsburgh Project. Among their sources and maps; was this survey map dated 1905 and I showed it to John. It showed that a John Phillips had owned a piano shaped piece of land for “ his mansion ” when it faced the Southern Ave. (also known as Brownsville road; the Southern Road ” or “ The plank road, and /or the toll road”} From Pittsburgh to Brownsville Pennsylvania.)<br />
<br />
This property extended ; EASTWARD > to the Rehman family property from; ” The Southern Ave,<br />
In those early years; Brownsville was on the first “National Road”; known as route 40 today. It follows British General Braddock’s campaign trail to our area. It served as the first road to the west,(thru Pittsburgh),from ports along the Atlantic coast. Lewis and Clark began their epic explorations,from Pittsburgh’s three rivers.<br />
<br />
So, at one time, Before there was a “Hornaday road“; John Phillips owned the entire flat top area of what is now; “Our Hornaday Road” or at least those with addresses from 95 to 163.<br />
(By my guess timate;he had about 18 acres. Here are my assumptions and facts,> I added, lot6 [ 6 acres and 115 perches]and lot 7[> 6 acres and 42 perches ] = 12 acres + 157 perches,almost 13 acres for those two lots alone ; since 160 perches equals one acre. Without all dimensions for lots 1 > 5 that face Brownsville road between Agnew and Madeline; and two lots showing , 5.73 perches each ,….Assuming,…. those lots are equal and amount to > 28.65 perches > I guessed another 5.58 acres for lots 1 thru 5 ; where his home apparently sat .{160 perches equals one acre / which is 208.71 ft by / 208.71 = 43559.8641 sq. feet)<br />
<br />
<br />
Next ; We continued searching for details of Hornaday and Phillips family members, at the John Heinz history center. We learned that John Phillips was vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company (Formerly known as Lewis and Phillips on the South side, at 12th street on the river) His Mansion sat on lot 3 ; back from Brownsville road (where Hornaday Road is now)and his ”Governor’s style” curved driveway, likely for his horse drawn carriage was built about the time of the Civil war, curved away from his home to meet the streets; we NOW know as Agnew and Madeline. These street name changes will be explained later. <br />
<br />
The number 1 Lot, near Philips Mansion is the Zion church property now. This map above; also shows Southern Ave./ also known as Brownsville road , Murray street in now called Madeline, on this map; Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew. (More details of that area later.) <br />
<br />
Hornaday Road, did not exist according to this @ 1905 map ,though plans for our homes and lots were done by a J.B.Murray, John Phillips only owned lots 1 thru 7. It should be easy for Hornaday residents to imagine “Our” road thru the center of his Homestead / Mansion and property Eastward to the bend in Hornaday road and then downhill;beginning at Reaman.(This section lead down to August Waldman's farm, and was called Waldman until >>1913???/ I need to check ny notes and dates of zoning changes) Rihman Heirs {note spelling change} Bielau property then down hill to Dowling street, note Concord school ( number 3?)property on lot 11.<br />
<br />
A close examination of the Carrick post card photo of John Phillips home,(From Carol Anthony) reveals a platform and a telescope pointed skyward at the center of the roof. John Phillips had a son in 1864, named John. (No middle initial) At this point in time not much else; is known about him.<br />
<br />
John MacFarlane Phillips; Born in 1861 is our connection to William T. Hornaday. John M. Phillips was not the son But a nephew of John Phillip’s; the vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company. A better explanation follows in the paragraph below, it is a direct copy from Mike Sajna, in his book “Buck Fever” see pg 69. <br />
<br />
John MacFarlane Phillips was born February 15th. 1861. He was the son of James Phillips, one of the founders of the Oliver Iron and Steel Company, whose own father had come to Western Pennsylvania from Northern Ireland in 1795 to work as a blacksmith. Phillips attended public schools and then studied engineering and was made superintendent of the bolt works and forging plants of the Lewis Oliver and Phillip’s company. Later he became manager of the company’s mining equipment department and in 1899, with his Uncle John, purchased the company’s mine supply division and established the Phillip’s mine and Mill supply company. He was that company’s President one year later (1890)<br />
<br />
{not bad at age 29 after starting at the south side company in 1880.< from John Heinz history center sources} <br />
<br />
At this point of my history search, I do not know exactly when, our man;“ John M ” Phillips and Hornaday met; I do know that He and Hornaday were hunting together in British Columbia in 1901. They were involved in many aspects of Game protection. The mad rush to the WEST,had nearly wiped out all fur bearers, noteably Buffalo and Beavers.<br />
<br />
There are references in various news articles that John M. Had married at that time and took his new bride (Harriet Duff - Phillip’s) to a ranch, where she stayed for a month. Hornaday and Phillips were in Colorado by 1903, by 1906 Phillip’s was an illustrator for another of Hornaday’s many conservation minded books; “Campfire in the Canadian Rockies” <br />
In 1907 they were in Mexico and as they had done before; Hornaday and Phillips donated even more animals from their hunts,for displays in Museums. At the Carnegie museum in Oakland, At least one of Phillips displays remains; in the hall of mammals; it is a glass enclosure of a family of Cheetahs. However, sharing time and common interests generally leads to more of the same. Their common interests; Zoos, conservation, camping and hunting helped bring these men together; there was a seven year age difference between them. Hornaday and Phillips realized that outdoor training and conservation / awareness would be fostered in youth thru Boy Scouting. They were not alone in their thinking. <br />
According to Mike Sajna; John MacFarlane Phillips organized the First Boy Scout troop in Pennsylvania, in 1910; it was the Second such troop in America. Phillip’s provided its members with a place to meet; in his home at 2336 Brownsville road. {At this point in time I am awaiting additional information , and//or confirmation of some of these details from a contact in the Pgh. Boy Scouts} Since February of 2008. This location is now the site of Saint Piax church, a small remnant of the original “castellated” stone wall remains between the church and the New Concord School, '''But most likely ,… not for long.'''''Italic text''. In front of the Church the wall had been lowered But it returns to it’s original “castellated” height and location in front of the 1907 home to the right of the church. Phillips home was also used for the celebration of many church services until 1959.<br />
<br />
Continuing the list of land owners involved with Hornaday Road at that time, We find the Bielau plan of lots beginning with address 201 downhill to approximately 229.<br />
Bernarding owned lots adjoining these, additional odd numbered addresses to 251? <br />
Directly on the opposite side were lots that were divided from August Waldman’s farm. In fact; this section of our road was called Waldman until several zoning changes were made in 1913. The earlier plan was to connect another 364 foot long section of road from Agnew to Hornaday road, but this would connect three sections of Red rose; (all 1202 feet long) but that would have required eliminating John Rudiaks lot and home at 219 Hornaday road.<br />
<br />
Eliza Weber owned all the lots on the eastern side of Redrose. At this time ten homes facing Redrose and perhaps four more facing Hornaday; share her original property. Roughly speaking, fourteen of the 22 addresses listed on this street seam to have been built by the same builder and many at about the same time; 1927. There are older homes, dated from 1876, 1900, 1904, 1907 and 1910; if county records were always correct. As shown on the accompanying plan of lots, William F Seiger owned approximately two acres which was divided into 14 parcels. Ten lots were on the western side of Redrose and four lots were to face Hornaday. Two homes, at 218 and 220 Hornaday were built on lots three and four. My home at 216 was built on lots one and two.<br />
<br />
Prior to 1927, this area, was known as; Carrick borough; Lower Saint Clair and a part of The Baldwin township ; Carrick borough by a earlier dated local vote was officially annexed into the city of Pittsburgh ; in 1927. The Old and narrow borough building , is at 1808 Brownsville road , left of the old fire hall {More about “ it “later} Before 1927, Carrick already had the first sewerage system in western Pennsylvania; just step out to Hornaday road to see the Carrick Boro logos, that John Rudiak found and photographed, on our manhole covers. <br />
In its borough days, Carrick also had the first filtered water supply in western Pennsylvania; with 180 pounds per square inch of pressure; coming from the South Pittsburgh water plant, located at Beck’s run. Carrick boro and its business men had already begun paving its streets and sidewalks; with planks of wood three inches thick. John MacFarlane Phillips; for the most part paid for two such sidewalks, they were from Becks Run , along Brownsville road to Mt Oliver. The first was four feet wide and the second was six feet wide. Once annexed into the city, some street names were changed to avoid duplication of existing street names,in use somewhere in Pittsburgh. Murray street became Madeline and the original bend in Murray Ave.{ Look between Mur ray’s R’s on the 1905 map} has since been straightened. Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew and was also a township road in The Baldwin township until 1927. Take a look at The Crailo plan, Southern Avenue land company on the 1905 map, Just north of Our homes. This area was owned by John Agnew, beginning with its narrow lots on the North side of the street that bears his name. One of my early assumptions about this area; have been proved correct, this fifty two acre parcel of land; was given to John Agnew and his wife; by her father. Agnew and Chambers operated a glass works there. I contacted, Susan Buyers; An Agnew relative to ask if Agnew and Chambers had taken over Englert glass; the first glass factory in Pittsburgh. She did '''NOT verify''' that question. But If she had , another early historic puzzle piece would fall into place. Since the name Englertville was the local name prior to 1753 and when Doctor Brown set up the first post office naming it Carrick after his home town of Carrick au Suir, in Tipperary Ireland. <br />
<br />
John Agnew’s new home, likely faced the Southern road, (Brownsville road) after looking at a drawing of that house, I Assume;… for the moment ; that it sat where the BP gas station is today. If Agnew also had his South Side glass factory, this older Englert site was razed and resold in small lots; perhaps many of these new residents; were employee’s at his South Side glass works. The Concord church shown on this 1905 map is the “Stone” church where we vote. The original Concord church was a “Wooden” church, Both of the “Concord churches “will show on another survey map, available at Historic Pittsburgh; dated 1916. See the photo of the wooden church below. It was moved away from Brownsville road, Perhaps by Eichley {as they are World Famous for such things} of Pittsburgh but sat for a time in what is now their parking lot. It was used as a high school. '''Please note that I have included only ;...small portions of the maps available at Historic Pittsburgh.'''''Italic text'' <br />
<br />
The convent of Passionist nuns , in the photo above is located at 2700 Churchview Avenue at Spencer. <br />
The map to follow displays name and neighbor hood changes since 1905. This map section is from Concord church and north. On this map, also from 1905, you can see that there were four “ island ;.. flower planters” on THE Boulevard. Looking South /down from there you can see the name Phillips ave. and not, East Meyers Avenue.</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=User:Jkrynock&diff=74User:Jkrynock2008-06-18T20:05:20Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
<hr />
<div>Introduction and short History of the Carrick Overbrook Historical Society<br />
<br />
"My", First order of business; "The Hornaday road report."<br />
<br />
John Rudiak and I,{Joe Krynock} were talking at the 2007 Hornaday Road, block party. John mentioned that he was going to the Recorder of Deeds office to research deed information for his home and also, for his daughter’s home. Since I wanted to explore my homes past and to determine a build date for my place, John and I planned to go there together. I had researched deeds before But that seamed long ago. As we talked more during the block party, other neighbors mentioned historic info about their homes or rumored information of "OUR" neighborhood. Yet no one knew things for sure. Since John had already been living here when I moved into Carrick (in 1982) I asked John, if he knew any historic details about Hornaday Road. "Not really" he said. I told him that A Pittsburgh "Councilman” named Phillips was a friend of William T. Hornaday. In fact; when they were not hunting together, they promoted stuff like Boy Scouting, better zoos and conservation. “This Hornaday?,“Who was he?” John asked. So, I told him; " William T. Hornaday was a Writer, a taxidermist and the director of the Bronx zoo." ” How did you find that?” John asked.“ Honestly, by accident! Years ago; I bought a bargain priced book; called “Buck fever”, mostly because it written by Mike Sajna,{now deceased} a name I recognised. Mike Sajna's book was printed by the University of Pittsburgh Press. It was about deer hunting and Pennsylvania Game Commission history.I stated that I wanted to expand on,that small bit of information,... Someday!<br />
<br />
John said " Well,you are retired!"<br />
<br />
The next morning, (after the "Late night Party"); I found my copy of “Buck fever” and re-read pages 68 to 78 to refresh my memory. Then I sent this e mail to John on Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:01:16 AM Subject: Hornaday history;<br />
Hey John, Perhaps we could collaborate on a Hornaday history, A kind of story or report; Hopefully before<br />
next years block party. JOE K<br />
<br />
With these few clues we started “OUR” search @ August 20th 2007. John and I started at the Recorder of Deeds office downtown. We researched thru many Deed books to track both of our property records. In the process; John found some information about J.B.Murray's housing plan; a map and information related to all of the homes and owners in the area. "IT" raised questions and eyebrows.<br />
<br />
But it was John who took me into a new and uncharted territory, with a website idea. John suggested that instead of saving reams of paper and info at our homes,…that we load it all ; into a website for anyone (Not Just Hornaday residents)to explore in their own time and leisure.<br />
<br />
Often and Independently; we looked for maps and stuff on internet sites. I found the Historic Pittsburgh Project. Among their sources and maps; was this survey map dated 1905 and I showed it to John. It showed that a John Phillips had owned a piano shaped piece of land for “ his mansion ” when it faced the Southern Ave. (also known as Brownsville road; the Southern Road ” or “ The plank road, and /or the toll road”} From Pittsburgh to Brownsville Pennsylvania.)<br />
<br />
This property extended ; EASTWARD > to the Rehman family property from; ” The Southern Ave,<br />
In those early years; Brownsville was on the first “National Road”; known as route 40 today. It follows British General Braddock’s campaign trail to our area. It served as the first road to the west,(thru Pittsburgh),from ports along the Atlantic coast. Lewis and Clark began their epic explorations,from Pittsburgh’s three rivers.<br />
<br />
So, at one time, Before there was a “Hornaday road“; John Phillips owned the entire flat top area of what is now; “Our Hornaday Road” or at least those with addresses from 95 to 163.<br />
(By my guess timate;he had about 18 acres. Here are my assumptions and facts,> I added, lot6 [ 6 acres and 115 perches]and lot 7[> 6 acres and 42 perches ] = 12 acres + 157 perches,almost 13 acres for those two lots alone ; since 160 perches equals one acre. Without all dimensions for lots 1 > 5 that face Brownsville road between Agnew and Madeline; and two lots showing , 5.73 perches each ,….Assuming,…. those lots are equal and amount to > 28.65 perches > I guessed another 5.58 acres for lots 1 thru 5 ; where his home apparently sat .{160 perches equals one acre / which is 208.71 ft by / 208.71 = 43559.8641 sq. feet)<br />
<br />
<br />
Next ; We continued searching for details of Hornaday and Phillips family members, at the John Heinz history center. We learned that John Phillips was vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company (Formerly known as Lewis and Phillips on the South side, at 12th street on the river) His Mansion sat on lot 3 ; back from Brownsville road (where Hornaday Road is now)and his ”Governor’s style” curved driveway, likely for his horse drawn carriage was built about the time of the Civil war, curved away from his home to meet the streets; we NOW know as Agnew and Madeline. These street name changes will be explained later. <br />
<br />
The number 1 Lot, near Philips Mansion is the Zion church property now. This map above; also shows Southern Ave./ also known as Brownsville road , Murray street in now called Madeline, on this map; Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew. (More details of that area later.) <br />
<br />
Hornaday Road, did not exist according to this @ 1905 map ,though plans for our homes and lots were done by a J.B.Murray, John Phillips only owned lots 1 thru 7. It should be easy for Hornaday residents to imagine “Our” road thru the center of his Homestead / Mansion and property Eastward to the bend in Hornaday road and then downhill;beginning at Reaman.(This section lead down to August Waldman's farm, and was called Waldman until >>1913???/ I need to check ny notes and dates of zoning changes) Rihman Heirs {note spelling change} Bielau property then down hill to Dowling street, note Concord school ( number 3?)property on lot 11.<br />
<br />
A close examination of the Carrick post card photo of John Phillips home,(From Carol Anthony) reveals a platform and a telescope pointed skyward at the center of the roof. John Phillips had a son in 1864, named John. (No middle initial) At this point in time not much else; is known about him.<br />
<br />
John MacFarlane Phillips; Born in 1861 is our connection to William T. Hornaday. John M. Phillips was not the son But a nephew of John Phillip’s; the vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company. A better explanation follows in the paragraph below, it is a direct copy from Mike Sajna, in his book “Buck Fever” see pg 69. <br />
<br />
John MacFarlane Phillips was born February 15th. 1861. He was the son of James Phillips, one of the founders of the Oliver Iron and Steel Company, whose own father had come to Western Pennsylvania from Northern Ireland in 1795 to work as a blacksmith. Phillips attended public schools and then studied engineering and was made superintendent of the bolt works and forging plants of the Lewis Oliver and Phillip’s company. Later he became manager of the company’s mining equipment department and in 1899, with his Uncle John, purchased the company’s mine supply division and established the Phillip’s mine and Mill supply company. He was that company’s President one year later (1890)<br />
<br />
{not bad at age 29 after starting at the south side company in 1880.< from John Heinz history center sources} <br />
<br />
At this point of my history search, I do not know exactly when, our man;“ John M ” Phillips and Hornaday met; I do know that He and Hornaday were hunting together in British Columbia in 1901. They were involved in many aspects of Game protection. The mad rush to the WEST,had nearly wiped out all fur bearers, noteably Buffalo and Beavers.<br />
<br />
There are references in various news articles that John M. Had married at that time and took his new bride (Harriet Duff - Phillip’s) to a ranch, where she stayed for a month. Hornaday and Phillips were in Colorado by 1903, by 1906 Phillip’s was an illustrator for another of Hornaday’s many conservation minded books; “Campfire in the Canadian Rockies” <br />
In 1907 they were in Mexico and as they had done before; Hornaday and Phillips donated even more animals from their hunts,for displays in Museums. At the Carnegie museum in Oakland, At least one of Phillips displays remains; in the hall of mammals; it is a glass enclosure of a family of Cheetahs. However, sharing time and common interests generally leads to more of the same. Their common interests; Zoos, conservation, camping and hunting helped bring these men together; there was a seven year age difference between them. Hornaday and Phillips realized that outdoor training and conservation / awareness would be fostered in youth thru Boy Scouting. They were not alone in their thinking. <br />
According to Mike Sajna; John MacFarlane Phillips organized the First Boy Scout troop in Pennsylvania, in 1910; it was the Second such troop in America. Phillip’s provided its members with a place to meet; in his home at 2336 Brownsville road. {At this point in time I am awaiting additional information , and//or confirmation of some of these details from a contact in the Pgh. Boy Scouts} Since February of 2008. This location is now the site of Saint Piax church, a small remnant of the original “castellated” stone wall remains between the church and the New Concord School, '''But most likely ,… not for long.'''''Italic text''. In front of the Church the wall had been lowered But it returns to it’s original “castellated” height and location in front of the 1907 home to the right of the church. Phillips home was also used for the celebration of many church services until 1959.<br />
<br />
Continuing the list of land owners involved with Hornaday Road at that time, We find the Bielau plan of lots beginning with address 201 downhill to approximately 229.<br />
Bernarding owned lots adjoining these, additional odd numbered addresses to 251? <br />
Directly on the opposite side were lots that were divided from August Waldman’s farm. In fact; this section of our road was called Waldman until several zoning changes were made in 1913. The earlier plan was to connect another 364 foot long section of road from Agnew to Hornaday road, but this would connect three sections of Red rose; (all 1202 feet long) but that would have required eliminating John Rudiaks lot and home at 219 Hornaday road.<br />
<br />
Eliza Weber owned all the lots on the eastern side of Redrose. At this time ten homes facing Redrose and perhaps four more facing Hornaday; share her original property. Roughly speaking, fourteen of the 22 addresses listed on this street seam to have been built by the same builder and many at about the same time; 1927. There are older homes, dated from 1876, 1900, 1904, 1907 and 1910; if county records were always correct. As shown on the accompanying plan of lots, William F Seiger owned approximately two acres which was divided into 14 parcels. Ten lots were on the western side of Redrose and four lots were to face Hornaday. Two homes, at 218 and 220 Hornaday were built on lots three and four. My home at 216 was built on lots one and two.<br />
<br />
Prior to 1927, this area, was known as; Carrick borough; Lower Saint Clair and a part of The Baldwin township ; Carrick borough by a earlier dated local vote was officially annexed into the city of Pittsburgh ; in 1927. The Old and narrow borough building , is at 1808 Brownsville road , left of the old fire hall {More about “ it “later} Before 1927, Carrick already had the first sewerage system in western Pennsylvania; just step out to Hornaday road to see the Carrick Boro logos, that John Rudiak found and photographed, on our manhole covers. <br />
In its borough days, Carrick also had the first filtered water supply in western Pennsylvania; with 180 pounds per square inch of pressure; coming from the South Pittsburgh water plant, located at Beck’s run. Carrick boro and its business men had already begun paving its streets and sidewalks; with planks of wood three inches thick. John MacFarlane Phillips; for the most part paid for two such sidewalks, they were from Becks Run , along Brownsville road to Mt Oliver. The first was four feet wide and the second was six feet wide. Once annexed into the city, some street names were changed to avoid duplication of existing street names,in use somewhere in Pittsburgh. Murray street became Madeline and the original bend in Murray Ave.{ Look between Mur ray’s R’s on the 1905 map} has since been straightened. Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew and was also a township road in The Baldwin township until 1927. Take a look at The Crailo plan, Southern Avenue land company on the 1905 map, Just north of Our homes. This area was owned by John Agnew, beginning with its narrow lots on the North side of the street that bears his name. One of my early assumptions about this area; have been proved correct, this fifty two acre parcel of land; was given to John Agnew and his wife; by her father. Agnew and Chambers operated a glass works there. I contacted, Susan Buyers; An Agnew relative to ask if Agnew and Chambers had taken over Englert glass; the first glass factory in Pittsburgh. She did '''NOT verify''' that question. But If she had , another early historic puzzle piece would fall into place. Since the name Englertville was the local name prior to 1753 and when Doctor Brown set up the first post office naming it Carrick after his home town of Carrick au Suir, in Tipperary Ireland. <br />
<br />
John Agnew’s new home, likely faced the Southern road, (Brownsville road) after looking at a drawing of that house, I Assume;… for the moment ; that it sat where the BP gas station is today. If Agnew also had his South Side glass factory, this older Englert site was razed and resold in small lots; perhaps many of these new residents; were employee’s at his South Side glass works. The Concord church shown on this 1905 map is the “Stone” church where we vote. The original Concord church was a “Wooden” church, Both of the “Concord churches “will show on another survey map, available at Historic Pittsburgh; dated 1916. See the photo of the wooden church below. It was moved away from Brownsville road, Perhaps by Eichley {as they are World Famous for such things} of Pittsburgh but sat for a time in what is now their parking lot. It was used as a high school. '''Please note that I have included only ;...small portions of the maps available at Historic Pittsburgh.'''''Italic text'' <br />
<br />
The convent of Passionist nuns , in the photo above is located at 2700 Churchview Avenue at Spencer. <br />
The map to follow displays name and neighbor hood changes since 1905. This map section is from Concord church and north. On this map, also from 1905, you can see that there were four “ island ;.. flower planters” on THE Boulevard. Looking South /down from there you can see the name Phillips ave. and not, East Meyers Avenue.</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=User:Jkrynock&diff=73User:Jkrynock2008-06-18T19:23:12Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
<hr />
<div>Introduction and short History of the Carrick Overbrook Historical Society<br />
<br />
"My", First order of business; "The Hornaday road report."<br />
<br />
John Rudiak and I,{Joe Krynock} were talking at the 2007 Hornaday Road,block party. John mentioned that he was going to the Recorder of Deeds office to research deed information for his home and also, for his daughter’s home. Since I wanted to explore my homes past and to determine a build date for my place, John and I planned to go there together. I had researched deeds before But that seamed long ago. As we talked more during the block party, other neighbors mentioned historic info about their homes or rumored information of "OUR" neighborhood. Yet no one knew things for sure. Since John had already been living here when I moved into Carrick (in 1982) I asked John, if he knew any historic details about Hornaday Road. "Not really" he said. I told him that A Pittsburgh "Councilman” named Phillips was a friend of William T. Hornaday. In fact; when they were not hunting together, they promoted stuff like Boy Scouting, better zoos and conservation. “This Hornaday?,“Who was he?” John asked. So, I told him; " William T. Hornaday was a Writer, a taxidermist and the director of the Bronx zoo." ” How did you find that?” John asked.“ Honestly, by accident! Years ago; I bought a bargain priced book; called “Buck fever”, mostly because it written by Mike Sajna,{now deceased} a name I recognised. Mike Sajna's book was printed by the University of Pittsburgh Press. It was about deer hunting and Pennsylvania Game Commission history.I stated that I wanted to expand on,that small bit of information,... Someday!<br />
<br />
John said " Well,you are retired!"<br />
<br />
The next morning, (after the "Late night Party"); I found my copy of “Buck fever” and re-read pages 68 to 78 to refresh my memory. Then I sent this e mail to John on Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:01:16 AM Subject: Hornaday history;<br />
Hey John, Perhaps we could collaborate on a Hornaday history, A kind of story or report; Hopefully before<br />
next years block party. JOE K<br />
<br />
With these few clues we started “OUR” search @ August 20th 2007. John and I started at the Recorder of Deeds office downtown. We researched thru many Deed books to track both of our property records. In the process; John found some information about J.B.Murray's housing plan; a map and information related to all of the homes and owners in the area. "IT" raised questions and eyebrows.<br />
<br />
Independently; we looked for maps and stuff on internet sites. I found the Historic Pittsburgh Project. Among their sources and maps; was this survey map dated 1905 and I showed it to John. It showed that a John Phillips had owned a piano shaped piece of land for “ his mansion ” when it faced the Southern Ave. (also known as Brownsville road; the Southern Road ” or “ The plank road, and /or the toll road”} From Pittsburgh to Brownsville Pennsylvania.)<br />
<br />
This property extended ; EASTWARD > to the Rehman family property from; ” The Southern Ave,<br />
In those early years; Brownsville was on the first “National Road” also known as route 40 today. It follows British General Braddock’s campaign trail to our area. It served as the first road to the west, (thru Pittsburgh),from ports along the Atlantic coast. Lewis and Clark began their epic explorations,from Pittsburgh’s three rivers.<br />
<br />
So, at one time, Before there was a “Hornaday road“; John Phillips owned the entire flat top area of what is now; “Our Hornaday Road” or at least those with addresses from 95 to 163.<br />
(By my guess timate;he had about 18 acres. Here are my assumptions and facts,> I added, lot6 [ 6 acres and 115 perches]and lot 7[> 6 acres and 42 perches ] = 12 acres + 157 perches,almost 13 acres for those two lots alone ; since 160 perches equals one acre. Without all dimensions for lots 1 > 5 that face Brownsville road between Agnew and Madeline; and two lots showing , 5.73 perches each ,….Assuming,…. those lots are equal and amount to > 28.65 perches > I guessed another 5.58 acres for lots 1 thru 5 ; where his home apparently sat .{160 perches equals one acre / which is 208.71 ft by / 208.71 = 43559.8641 sq. feet)<br />
<br />
But it was John who took me into a new and uncharted territory, with a website idea. John suggested that instead of saving reams of paper and info at our homes,…that we load it all ; into a website for anyone (Not Just Hornaday residents)to explore in their own time and leisure.<br />
<br />
Next ; We continued searching for details of Hornaday and Phillips family members, at the John Heinz history center. We learned that John Phillips was vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company (Formerly known as Lewis and Phillips on the South side, at 12th street on the river) His Mansion sat on lot 3 ; back from Brownsville road (where Hornaday Road is now)and his ”Governor’s style” curved driveway,likely for his horse drawn carriage was built about the time of the Civil war, curved away from his home to meet the streets; we NOW know as Agnew and Madeline. These street name changes will be explained later. The number 1 Lot, near Philips Mansion is the Zion church property now. This map above; also shows Southern Ave./ also known as Brownsville road , Murray street in now called Madeline, on this map; Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew. (More details of that area later.) <br />
<br />
Hornaday Road, did not exist according to this @ 1905 map ,though plans for our homes and lots were done by a J.B.Murray, John Phillips only owned lots 1 thru 7. It should be easy for Hornaday residents to imagine “Our” road thru the center of his Homestead / Mansion and property Eastward to the bend in Hornaday road and then downhill;beginning at Reaman.(This section lead down to August Waldman's farm, and was called Waldman until >>1913???/ I need to check ny notes and dates of zoning changes) Rihman Heirs {note spelling change} Bielau property then down hill to Dowling street, note Concord school ( number 3?)property on lot 11.<br />
<br />
A close examination of the Carrick post card photo of John Phillips home,(From Carol Anthony) reveals a platform and a telescope pointed skyward at the center of the roof. John Phillips had a son in 1864, named John. (No middle initial) At this point in time not much else; is known about him.<br />
<br />
John MacFarlane Phillips; Born in 1861 is our connection to William T. Hornaday. John M. Phillips was not the son But a nephew of John Phillip’s; the vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company. A better explanation follows in the paragraph below, it is a direct copy from Mike Sajna, in his book “Buck Fever” see pg 69. <br />
<br />
John MacFarlane Phillips was born February 15th. 1861. He was the son of James Phillips, one of the founders of the Oliver Iron and Steel Company, whose own father had come to Western Pennsylvania from Northern Ireland in 1795 to work as a blacksmith. Phillips attended public schools and then studied engineering and was made superintendent of the bolt works and forging plants of the Lewis Oliver and Phillip’s company. Later he became manager of the company’s mining equipment department and in 1899, with his Uncle John, purchased the company’s mine supply division and established the Phillip’s mine and Mill supply company. He was that company’s President one year later (1890)<br />
<br />
{not bad at age 29 after starting at the south side company in 1880.< from John Heinz history center sources} <br />
<br />
At this point of my history search, I do not know exactly when, our man;>“ John M ” Phillips and Hornaday met; I do know that He and Hornaday were hunting together in British Columbia in 1901. They were involved in many aspects of Game protection. The mad rush to the WEST , had nearly wiped out all fur bearers, noteably Buffalo and Beavers.<br />
<br />
There are references in various news articles that John M. Had married at that time and took his new bride (Harriet Duff - Phillip’s) to a ranch, where she stayed for a month. Hornaday and Phillips were in Colorado by 1903, by 1906 Phillip’s was an illustrator for another of Hornaday’s many conservation minded books; “Campfire in the Canadian Rockies” <br />
In 1907 they were in Mexico and as they had done before; Hornaday and Phillips donated even more animals from their hunts,for displays in Museums. At the Carnegie museum in Oakland, At least one of Phillips displays remains; in the hall of mammals; it is a glass enclosure of a family of Cheetahs. However, sharing time and common interests generally leads to more of the same. Their common interests; Zoos, conservation, camping and hunting helped bring these men together; there was a seven year age difference between them. Hornaday and Phillips realized that outdoor training and conservation / awareness would be fostered in youth thru Boy Scouting. They were not alone in their thinking. <br />
According to Mike Sajna; John MacFarlane Phillips organized the First Boy Scout troop in Pennsylvania, in 1910; it was the Second such troop in America. Phillip’s provided its members with a place to meet; in his home at 2336 Brownsville road. {At this point in time I am awaiting additional information , and//or confirmation of some of these details from a contact in the Pgh. Boy Scouts} Since February of 2008. This location is now the site of Saint Piax church, a small remnant of the original “castellated” stone wall remains between the church and the New Concord School, '''But most likely ,… not for long.'''''Italic text''. In front of the Church the wall had been lowered But it returns to it’s original “castellated” height and location in front of the 1907 home to the right of the church. Phillips home was also used for the celebration of many church services until 1959.<br />
<br />
Continuing the list of land owners involved with Hornaday Road at that time, We find the Bielau plan of lots beginning with address 201 downhill to approximately 229.<br />
Bernarding owned lots adjoining these, additional odd numbered addresses to 253? <br />
Directly on the opposite side were lots that were divided from August Waldman’s farm. In fact; this section of our road was called Waldman until several zoning changes were made in 1913. The earlier plan was to connect another 364 foot long section of road from Agnew to Hornaday road, but this would connect three sections of Red rose; (all 1202 feet long) but that would have required eliminating John Rudiaks lot and home at 219 Hornaday road.<br />
<br />
Eliza Weber owned all the lots on the eastern side of Redrose. At this time ten homes facing Redrose and perhaps four more facing Hornaday; share her original property. Roughly speaking, fourteen of the 22 addresses listed on this street seam to have been built by the same builder, and @ the same time; 1927. There are older homes, dated from 1876, 1900, 1904, 1907and 1910; if county records were always correct. As shown on the accompanying plan of lots, William F Seiger owned approximately two acres which was divided into 14 parcels. Ten lots were on the western side of Redrose and four lots were to face Hornaday. Two homes, at 218 and 220 Hornaday were built on lots three and four.<br />
My home at 216 was built on lots one and two.<br />
<br />
Prior to 1927, this area, was known as; Carrick borough; Lower Saint Clair and a part of The Baldwin township ; Carrick borough by a earlier dated local vote was officially annexed into the city of Pittsburgh ; in 1927. The Old and narrow borough building , is at 1808 Brownsville road , left of the old fire hall {More about “ it “later} Before 1927, Carrick already had the first sewerage system in western Pennsylvania; just step out to Hornaday road to see the Carrick Boro logos, that John Rudiak found and photographed, on our manhole covers. <br />
In its borough days, Carrick also had the first filtered water supply in western Pennsylvania; with 180 pounds per square inch of pressure; coming from the South Pittsburgh water plant, located at Beck’s run. Carrick boro and its business men had already begun paving its streets and sidewalks; with planks of wood three inches thick. John MacFarlane Phillips; for the most part paid for two such sidewalks, they were from Becks Run , along Brownsville road to Mt Oliver. The first was four feet wide and the second was six feet wide. Once annexed into the city, some street names were changed to avoid duplication of existing street names,in use somewhere in Pittsburgh. Murray street became Madeline and the original bend in Murray Ave.{ Look between Mur ray’s R’s on the 1905 map} has since been straightened. Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew and was also a township road in The Baldwin township until 1927. Take a look at The Crailo plan, Southern Avenue land company on the 1905 map, Just north of Our homes. This area was owned by John Agnew, beginning with its narrow lots on the North side of the street that bears his name. One of my early assumptions about this area; have been proved correct, this fifty two acre parcel of land; was given to John Agnew and his wife; by her father. Agnew and Chambers operated a glass works there. I contacted, Susan Buyers; An Agnew relative to ask if Agnew and Chambers had taken over Englert glass; the first glass factory in Pittsburgh. She did NOT verify that question. But If she had , another early historic puzzle piece would fall into place. Since the name Englertville was the local name prior to 1753 and when Doctor Brown set up the first post office naming it Carrick after his home town of Carrick au Suir, in Tipperary Ireland. <br />
<br />
John Agnew’s new home, likely faced the Southern road, (Brownsville road) after looking at a drawing of that house, I Assume;… for the moment ; that it sat where the BP gas station is today. If Agnew also had his South Side glass factory, this older Englert site was razed and resold in small lots; perhaps many of these new residents; were employee’s at his South Side glass works. The Concord church shown on this 1905 map is the “Stone” church where we vote. The original Concord church was a “Wooden” church, Both of the “Concord churches “will show on another survey map, available at Historic Pittsburgh; dated 1916. See the photo of the wooden church below. It was moved away from Brownsville road, Perhaps by Eichley {as they are World Famous for such things} of Pittsburgh but sat for a time in what is now their parking lot. It was used as a high school. <br />
<br />
The convent of Passionist nuns , in the photo above is located at 2700 Churchview Avenue at Spencer. <br />
The map to follow displays name and neighbor hood changes since 1905. This map section is from Concord church and north. On this map, also from 1905, you can see that there were four “ island ;.. flower planters” on THE Boulevard. Looking South /down from there you can see the name Phillips ave. and not, East Meyers Avenue.</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=User:Jkrynock&diff=72User:Jkrynock2008-06-18T14:55:38Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
<hr />
<div>Introduction and short History of the Carrick Overbrook Historical Society<br />
<br />
"My",First order of business;"The Hornaday road report."<br />
<br />
John Rudiak and I,{Joe Krynock} were talking at the 2007 Hornaday Road,block party.<br />
John mentioned that he was going to the Recorder of Deeds office to research deed information for his home and also for his daughter’s home. Since I wanted to explore my homes past and to determine a build date for my place, John and I planned to go there together. I had reasearched deeds before But that seamed long ago. As we talked more during the block party, other neighbors mentioned historic info about their homes or rumored information of "OUR" neighborhood. Yet no one knew things for sure. Since John had already been living here when I moved into Carrick (in 1982) I asked Him, if he knew any historic details about Hornaday or Hornaday Road. "Not really" he said. I told him that A Pittsburgh "Councilman” named Phillips was a friend of William T. Hornaday. In fact; when they were not hunting together, they promoted stuff like Boy Scouting, better zoos and conservation. “This Hornaday?,“Who was he?” John asked. So, I told him; " William T. Hornaday was a Writer, a taxidermist and the director of the Bronx zoo." ” How did you find that?” John asked.“ Honestly, by accident! Years ago;I bought a bargain priced book; called “Buck fever”, mostly because it was from the University of Pittsburgh Press. It was written by Mike Sajna,{now deceased} a name I was familiar with. It’s about deer hunting and some Game Commission history in Pennsylvania. I stated that I wanted to expand on,that small bit of information,... Someday!<br />
<br />
John said " Well,you are retired!"<br />
<br />
The next morning, (after the "Late night Party"); I found my copy of “Buck fever” and re-read pages 68 to 78 to refresh my memory. Then I sent this e mail to John on Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:01:16 AM Subject: Hornaday history;<br />
Hey John, Perhaps we could collaborate on a Hornaday history, A kind of story or report; Hopefully before<br />
next years block party. JOE K<br />
<br />
With these few clues we started “OUR” search @ August 20th 2007. John and I started at the Recorder of Deeds office downtown. We researched thru many Deed books to track both of our property records. In the process; John found some information about J.B.Murray's housing plan; a map and information related to all of the homes and owners in the area. "IT" raised questions and eyebrows.<br />
<br />
Independently; we looked for maps and stuff on internet sites. I found the Historic Pittsburgh Project. Among their sources and maps; was this survey map dated 1905 and I showed it to John. It showed that a John Phillips had owned a piano shaped piece of land for “ his mansion ” when it faced the Southern Ave. (also known as Brownsville road; the Southern Road ” or “ The plank road, and /or the toll road”} From Pittsburgh to Brownsville Pennsylvania.)<br />
<br />
This property extended ; EASTWARD > to the Rehman family property from; ” The Southern Ave,<br />
In those early years; Brownsville was on the first “National Road” also known as route 40 today. It follows British General Braddock’s campaign trail to our area. It served as the first road to the west, (thru Pittsburgh),from ports along the Atlantic coast. Lewis and Clark began their epic explorations,from Pittsburgh’s three rivers.<br />
<br />
So, at one time, Before there was a “Hornaday road“; John Phillips owned the entire flat top area of what is now; “Our Hornaday Road” or at least those with addresses from 95 to 163.<br />
(By my guess timate;he had about 18 acres. Here are my assumptions and facts,> I added, lot6 [ 6 acres and 115 perches]and lot 7[> 6 acres and 42 perches ] = 12 acres + 157 perches,almost 13 acres for those two lots alone ; since 160 perches equals one acre. Without all dimensions for lots 1 > 5 that face Brownsville road between Agnew and Madeline; and two lots showing , 5.73 perches each ,….Assuming,…. those lots are equal and amount to > 28.65 perches > I guessed another 5.58 acres for lots 1 thru 5 ; where his home apparently sat .{160 perches equals one acre / which is 208.71 ft by / 208.71 = 43559.8641 sq. feet)<br />
<br />
But it was John who took me into a new and uncharted territory, with a website idea. John suggested that instead of saving reams of paper and info at our homes,…that we load it all ; into a website for anyone (Not Just Hornaday residents)to explore in their own time and leisure.<br />
<br />
Next ; We continued searching for details of Hornaday and Phillips family members, at the John Heinz history center. We learned that John Phillips was vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company (Formerly known as Lewis and Phillips on the South side, at 12th street on the river) His Mansion sat on lot 3 ; back from Brownsville road (where Hornaday Road is now)and his ”Governor’s style” curved driveway,likely for his horse drawn carriage was built about the time of the Civil war, curved away from his home to meet the streets; we NOW know as Agnew and Madeline. These street name changes will be explained later. The number 1 Lot, near Philips Mansion is the Zion church property now. This map above; also shows Southern Ave./ also known as Brownsville road , Murray street in now called Madeline, on this map; Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew. (More details of that area later.) <br />
<br />
Hornaday Road, did not exist according to this @ 1905 map ,though plans for our homes and lots were done by a J.B.Murray, John Phillips only owned lots 1 thru 7. It should be easy for Hornaday residents to imagine “Our” road thru the center of his Homestead / Mansion and property Eastward to the bend in Hornaday road and then downhill;beginning at Reaman.(This section lead down to August Waldman's farm, and was called Waldman until >>1913???/ I need to check ny notes and dates of zoning changes) Rihman Heirs {note spelling change} Bielau property then down hill to Dowling street, note Concord school ( number 3?)property on lot 11.<br />
<br />
A close examination of the Carrick post card photo of John Phillips home,(From Carol Anthony) reveals a platform and a telescope pointed skyward at the center of the roof. John Phillips had a son in 1864, named John. (No middle initial) At this point in time not much else; is known about him.<br />
<br />
John MacFarlane Phillips; Born in 1861 is our connection to William T. Hornaday. John M. Phillips was not the son But a nephew of John Phillip’s; the vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company. A better explanation follows in the paragraph below, it is a direct copy from Mike Sajna, in his book “Buck Fever” see pg 69. <br />
<br />
John MacFarlane Phillips was born February 15th. 1861. He was the son of James Phillips, one of the founders of the Oliver Iron and Steel Company, whose own father had come to Western Pennsylvania from Northern Ireland in 1795 to work as a blacksmith. Phillips attended public schools and then studied engineering and was made superintendent of the bolt works and forging plants of the Lewis Oliver and Phillip’s company. Later he became manager of the company’s mining equipment department and in 1899, with his Uncle John, purchased the company’s mine supply division and established the Phillip’s mine and Mill supply company. He was that company’s President one year later (1890)<br />
<br />
{not bad at age 29 after starting at the south side company in 1880.< from John Heinz history center sources} <br />
<br />
At this point of my history search, I do not know exactly when, our man;>“ John M ” Phillips and Hornaday met; I do know that He and Hornaday were hunting together in British Columbia in 1901. They were involved in many aspects of Game protection. The mad rush to the WEST , had nearly wiped out all fur bearers, noteably Buffalo and Beavers.<br />
<br />
There are references in various news articles that John M. Had married at that time and took his new bride (Harriet Duff - Phillip’s) to a ranch, where she stayed for a month. Hornaday and Phillips were in Colorado by 1903, by 1906 Phillip’s was an illustrator for another of Hornaday’s many conservation minded books; “Campfire in the Canadian Rockies” <br />
In 1907 they were in Mexico and as they had done before; Hornaday and Phillips donated even more animals from their hunts,for displays in Museums. At the Carnegie museum in Oakland, At least one of Phillips displays remains; in the hall of mammals; it is a glass enclosure of a family of Cheetahs. However, sharing time and common interests generally leads to more of the same. Their common interests; Zoos, conservation, camping and hunting helped bring these men together; there was a seven year age difference between them. Hornaday and Phillips realized that outdoor training and conservation / awareness would be fostered in youth thru Boy Scouting. They were not alone in their thinking. <br />
According to Mike Sajna; John MacFarlane Phillips organized the First Boy Scout troop in Pennsylvania, in 1910; it was the Second such troop in America. Phillip’s provided its members with a place to meet; in his home at 2336 Brownsville road. {At this point in time I am awaiting additional information , and//or confirmation of some of these details from a contact in the Pgh. Boy Scouts} Since February of 2008. This location is now the site of Saint Piax church, a small remnant of the original “castellated” stone wall remains between the church and the New Concord School, '''But most likely ,… not for long.'''''Italic text''. In front of the Church the wall had been lowered But it returns to it’s original “castellated” height and location in front of the 1907 home to the right of the church. Phillips home was also used for the celebration of many church services until 1959.<br />
<br />
Continuing the list of land owners involved with Hornaday Road at that time, We find the Bielau plan of lots beginning with address 201 downhill to approximately 229.<br />
Bernarding owned lots adjoining these, additional odd numbered addresses to 253? <br />
Directly on the opposite side were lots that were divided from August Waldman’s farm. In fact; this section of our road was called Waldman until several zoning changes were made in 1913. The earlier plan was to connect another 364 foot long section of road from Agnew to Hornaday road, but this would connect three sections of Red rose; (all 1202 feet long) but that would have required eliminating John Rudiaks lot and home at 219 Hornaday road.<br />
<br />
Eliza Weber owned all the lots on the eastern side of Redrose. At this time ten homes facing Redrose and perhaps four more facing Hornaday; share her original property. Roughly speaking, fourteen of the 22 addresses listed on this street seam to have been built by the same builder, and @ the same time; 1927. There are older homes, dated from 1876, 1900, 1904, 1907and 1910; if county records were always correct. As shown on the accompanying plan of lots, William F Seiger owned approximately two acres which was divided into 14 parcels. Ten lots were on the western side of Redrose and four lots were to face Hornaday. Two homes, at 218 and 220 Hornaday were built on lots three and four.<br />
My home at 216 was built on lots one and two.<br />
<br />
Prior to 1927, this area, was known as; Carrick borough; Lower Saint Clair and a part of The Baldwin township ; Carrick borough by a earlier dated local vote was officially annexed into the city of Pittsburgh ; in 1927. The Old and narrow borough building , is at 1808 Brownsville road , left of the old fire hall {More about “ it “later} Before 1927, Carrick already had the first sewerage system in western Pennsylvania; just step out to Hornaday road to see the Carrick Boro logos, that John Rudiak found and photographed, on our manhole covers. <br />
In its borough days, Carrick also had the first filtered water supply in western Pennsylvania; with 180 pounds per square inch of pressure; coming from the South Pittsburgh water plant, located at Beck’s run. Carrick boro and its business men had already begun paving its streets and sidewalks; with planks of wood three inches thick. John MacFarlane Phillips; for the most part paid for two such sidewalks, they were from Becks Run , along Brownsville road to Mt Oliver. The first was four feet wide and the second was six feet wide. Once annexed into the city, some street names were changed to avoid duplication of existing street names,in use somewhere in Pittsburgh. Murray street became Madeline and the original bend in Murray Ave.{ Look between Mur ray’s R’s on the 1905 map} has since been straightened. Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew and was also a township road in The Baldwin township until 1927. Take a look at The Crailo plan, Southern Avenue land company on the 1905 map, Just north of Our homes. This area was owned by John Agnew, beginning with its narrow lots on the North side of the street that bears his name. One of my early assumptions about this area; have been proved correct, this fifty two acre parcel of land; was given to John Agnew and his wife; by her father. Agnew and Chambers operated a glass works there. I contacted, Susan Buyers; An Agnew relative to ask if Agnew and Chambers had taken over Englert glass; the first glass factory in Pittsburgh. She did NOT verify that question. But If she had , another early historic puzzle piece would fall into place. Since the name Englertville was the local name prior to 1753 and when Doctor Brown set up the first post office naming it Carrick after his home town of Carrick au Suir, in Tipperary Ireland. <br />
<br />
John Agnew’s new home, likely faced the Southern road, (Brownsville road) after looking at a drawing of that house, I Assume;… for the moment ; that it sat where the BP gas station is today. If Agnew also had his South Side glass factory, this older Englert site was razed and resold in small lots; perhaps many of these new residents; were employee’s at his South Side glass works. The Concord church shown on this 1905 map is the “Stone” church where we vote. The original Concord church was a “Wooden” church, Both of the “Concord churches “will show on another survey map, available at Historic Pittsburgh; dated 1916. See the photo of the wooden church below. It was moved away from Brownsville road, Perhaps by Eichley {as they are World Famous for such things} of Pittsburgh but sat for a time in what is now their parking lot. It was used as a high school. <br />
<br />
The convent of Passionist nuns , in the photo above is located at 2700 Churchview Avenue at Spencer. <br />
The map to follow displays name and neighbor hood changes since 1905. This map section is from Concord church and north. On this map, also from 1905, you can see that there were four “ island ;.. flower planters” on THE Boulevard. Looking South /down from there you can see the name Phillips ave. and not, East Meyers Avenue.</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=User:Jkrynock&diff=41User:Jkrynock2008-06-10T18:54:21Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
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<div>Introduction and short History of the Carrick Overbrook Historical Society<br />
<br />
"My",First order of business;"The Hornaday road report."<br />
<br />
John Rudiak and I,{Joe Krynock} were talking at the 2007 Hornaday Road,block party.<br />
John mentioned that he was going to the Recorder of Deeds office to research deed information for his home and also for his daughter’s home. Since I wanted to explore my homes past and to determine a build date for my place, John and I planned to go there together. I had reasearched deeds before But that seamed long ago. As we talked more during the block party, other neighbors mentioned historic info about their homes or rumored information of "OUR" neighborhood. Yet no one knew things for sure. Since John had already been living here when I moved into Carrick (in 1982) I asked Him, if he knew any historic details about Hornaday or Hornaday Road. "Not really" he said. I told him that A Pittsburgh "Councilman” named Phillips was a friend of William T. Hornaday. In fact; when they were not hunting together, they promoted stuff like Boy Scouting, better zoos and conservation. “This Hornaday?,“Who was he?” John asked. So, I told him; " William T. Hornaday was a Writer, a taxidermist and the director of the Bronx zoo." ” How did you find that?” John asked.“ Honestly, by accident! Years ago;I bought a bargain priced book; called “Buck fever”, mostly because it was from the University of Pittsburgh Press. It was written by Mike Sajna,{now deceased} a name I was familiar with. It’s about deer hunting and some Game Commission history in Pennsylvania. I stated that I wanted to expand on,that small bit of information,... Someday!<br />
<br />
John said " Well,you are retired!" The next morning,(after the "Late night Party") I found my copy of “Buck fever” and re-read pages 68 to 78 to refresh my memory. Then I sent this e mail to John on Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:01:16 AM Subject: Hornaday history; Hey John, Perhaps we could collaborate on a Hornaday history, A kind of story or report; Hopefully before before next years block party. JOE K<br />
<br />
With these few clues we started “OUR” search @ August 20th 2007. John and I started at the Recorder of Deeds office downtown. We researched thru many Deed books to track both of our property records. In the process; John found some information about J.B.Murray's housing plan; a map and information related to all of the homes and owners in the area. "IT" raised questions and eyebrows.<br />
<br />
Independently; we looked for maps and stuff on internet sites. I found the Historic Pittsburgh Project. Among their sources and maps; was this survey map dated 1905 and I showed it to John. It showed that a John Phillips had owned a piano shaped piece of land for “ his mansion ” when it faced the Southern Ave. (also known as Brownsville road; the Southern Road ” or “ The plank road, and /or the toll road”} From Pittsburgh to Brownsville Pennsylvania.)<br />
<br />
This property extended ; EASTWARD > to the Rehman family property from; ” The Southern Ave,<br />
In those early years; Brownsville was on the first “National Road” also known as route 40 today. It follows British General Braddock’s campaign trail to our area. It served as the first road to the west, (thru Pittsburgh),from ports along the Atlantic coast. Lewis and Clark began their epic explorations,from Pittsburgh’s three rivers.<br />
<br />
So, at one time, Before there was a “Hornaday road“; John Phillips owned the entire flat top area of what is now; “Our Hornaday Road” or at least those with addresses from 95 to 163.<br />
(By my guess timate;he had about 18 acres. Here are my assumptions and facts,> I added, lot6 [ 6 acres and 115 perches]and lot 7[> 6 acres and 42 perches ] = 12 acres + 157 perches,almost 13 acres for those two lots alone ; since 160 perches equals one acre. Without all dimensions for lots 1 > 5 that face Brownsville road between Agnew and Madeline; and two lots showing , 5.73 perches each ,….Assuming,…. those lots are equal and amount to > 28.65 perches > I guessed another 5.58 acres for lots 1 thru 5 ; where his home apparently sat .{160 perches equals one acre / which is 208.71 ft by / 208.71 = 43559.8641 sq. feet)<br />
<br />
But it was John who took me into a new and uncharted territory,with a website idea. John suggested that instead of saving reams of paper and info at our homes,…that we load it all ; into a website for anyone (Not Just Hornaday residents)to explore in their own time and leisure.<br />
<br />
Next ; We continued searching for details of Hornaday and Phillips family members, at the John Heinz history center. We learned that John Phillips was vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company (Formerly known as Lewis and Phillips on the South side, at 12th street on the river) His Mansion sat on lot 3 ; back from Brownsville road (where Hornaday Road is now)and his ”Governor’s style” curved driveway,likely for his horse drawn carriage was built about the time of the Civil war, curved away from his home to meet the streets; we NOW know as Agnew and Madeline. These street name changes will be explained later. The number 1 Lot, near Philips Mansion is the Zion church property now. This map above; also shows Southern Ave./ also known as Brownsville road , Murray street in now called Madeline, on this map; Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew. (More details of that area later.) <br />
<br />
Hornaday Road, did not exist according to this @ 1905 map ,though plans for our homes and lots were done by a J.B.Murray, John Phillips only owned lots 1 thru 7. It should be easy for Hornaday residents to imagine “Our” road thru the center of his Homestead / Mansion and property Eastward to the bend in Hornaday road and then downhill;beginning at Reaman.(This section lead down to August Waldman's farm, and was called Waldman until >>1913???/ I need to check ny notes and dates of zoning changes) Rihman Heirs {note spelling change} Bielau property then down hill to Dowling street, note Concord school ( number 3?)property on lot 11.<br />
<br />
A close examination of the Carrick post card photo of John Phillips home,(From Carol Anthony) reveals a platform and a telescope pointed skyward at the center of the roof. John Phillips had a son in 1864, named John. (No middle initial) At this point in time not much else; is known about him.<br />
<br />
John MacFarlane Phillips; Born in 1861 is our connection to William T. Hornaday. John M. Phillips was not the son But a nephew of John Phillip’s; the vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company. A better explanation follows in the paragraph below, it is a direct copy from Mike Sajna, in his book “Buck Fever” see pg 69. <br />
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John MacFarlane Phillips was born February 15th. 1861. He was the son of James Phillips, one of the founders of the Oliver Iron and Steel Company, whose own father had come to Western Pennsylvania from Northern Ireland in 1795 to work as a blacksmith. Phillips attended public schools and then studied engineering and was made superintendent of the bolt works and forging plants of the Lewis Oliver and Phillip’s company. Later he became manager of the company’s mining equipment department and in 1899, with his Uncle John, purchased the company’s mine supply division and established the Phillip’s mine and Mill supply company. He was that company’s President one year later (1890)<br />
<br />
{not bad at age 29 after starting at the south side company in 1880.< from John Heinz history center sources} <br />
<br />
At this point of my history search, I do not know exactly when, our man;>“ John M ” Phillips and Hornaday met; I do know that He and Hornaday were hunting together in British Columbia in 1901. They were involved in many aspects of Game protection. The mad rush to the WEST , had nearly wiped out all fur bearers, noteably Buffalo and Beavers.<br />
<br />
There are references in various news articles that John M. Had married at that time and took his new bride (Harriet Duff - Phillip’s) to a ranch, where she stayed for a month. Hornaday and Phillips were in Colorado by 1903, by 1906 Phillip’s was an illustrator for another of Hornaday’s many conservation minded books; “Campfire in the Canadian Rockies” <br />
In 1907 they were in Mexico and as they had done before; Hornaday and Phillips donated even more animals from their hunts,for displays in Museums. At the Carnegie museum in Oakland, At least one of Phillips displays remains; in the hall of mammals; it is a glass enclosure of a family of Cheetahs. However, sharing time and common interests generally leads to more of the same. Their common interests; Zoos, conservation, camping and hunting helped bring these men together; there was a seven year age difference between them. Hornaday and Phillips realized that outdoor training and conservation / awareness would be fostered in youth thru Boy Scouting. They were not alone in their thinking. <br />
According to Mike Sajna; John MacFarlane Phillips organized the First Boy Scout troop in Pennsylvania, in 1910; it was the Second such troop in America. Phillip’s provided its members with a place to meet; in his home at 2336 Brownsville road. {At this point in time I am awaiting additional information , and//or confirmation of some of these details from a contact in the Pgh. Boy Scouts} Since February of 2008. This location is now the site of Saint Piax church, a small remnant of the original “castellated” stone wall remains between the church and the New Concord School, '''But most likely ,… not for long.'''''Italic text''. In front of the Church the wall had been lowered But it returns to it’s original “castellated” height and location in front of the 1907 home to the right of the church. Phillips home was also used for the celebration of many church services until 1959.<br />
<br />
Continuing the list of land owners involved with Hornaday Road at that time, We find the Bielau plan of lots beginning with address 201 downhill to approximately 229.<br />
Bernarding owned lots adjoining these, additional odd numbered addresses to 253? <br />
Directly on the opposite side were lots that were divided from August Waldman’s farm. In fact; this section of our road was called Waldman until several zoning changes were made in 1913. The earlier plan was to connect another 364 foot long section of road from Agnew to Hornaday road, but this would connect three sections of Red rose; (all 1202 feet long) but that would have required eliminating John Rudiaks lot and home at 219 Hornaday road.<br />
<br />
Eliza Weber owned all the lots on the eastern side of Redrose. At this time ten homes facing Redrose and perhaps four more facing Hornaday; share her original property. Roughly speaking, fourteen of the 22 addresses listed on this street seam to have been built by the same builder, and @ the same time; 1927. There are older homes, dated from 1876, 1900, 1904, 1907and 1910; if county records were always correct. As shown on the accompanying plan of lots, William F Seiger owned approximately two acres which was divided into 14 parcels. Ten lots were on the western side of Redrose and four lots were to face Hornaday. Two homes, at 218 and 220 Hornaday were built on lots three and four.<br />
My home at 216 was built on lots one and two.<br />
<br />
Prior to 1927, this area, was known as; Carrick borough; Lower Saint Clair and a part of The Baldwin township ; Carrick borough by a earlier dated local vote was officially annexed into the city of Pittsburgh ; in 1927. The Old and narrow borough building , is at 1808 Brownsville road , left of the old fire hall {More about “ it “later} Before 1927, Carrick already had the first sewerage system in western Pennsylvania; just step out to Hornaday road to see the Carrick Boro logos, that John Rudiak found and photographed, on our manhole covers. <br />
In its borough days, Carrick also had the first filtered water supply in western Pennsylvania; with 180 pounds per square inch of pressure; coming from the South Pittsburgh water plant, located at Beck’s run. Carrick boro and its business men had already begun paving its streets and sidewalks; with planks of wood three inches thick. John MacFarlane Phillips; for the most part paid for two such sidewalks, they were from Becks Run , along Brownsville road to Mt Oliver. The first was four feet wide and the second was six feet wide. Once annexed into the city, some street names were changed to avoid duplication of existing street names,in use somewhere in Pittsburgh. Murray street became Madeline and the original bend in Murray Ave.{ Look between Mur ray’s R’s on the 1905 map} has since been straightened. Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew and was also a township road in The Baldwin township until 1927. Take a look at The Crailo plan, Southern Avenue land company on the 1905 map, Just north of Our homes. This area was owned by John Agnew, beginning with its narrow lots on the North side of the street that bears his name. One of my early assumptions about this area; have been proved correct, this fifty two acre parcel of land; was given to John Agnew and his wife; by her father. Agnew and Chambers operated a glass works there. I contacted, Susan Buyers; An Agnew relative to ask if Agnew and Chambers had taken over Englert glass; the first glass factory in Pittsburgh. She did NOT verify that question. But If she had , another early historic puzzle piece would fall into place. Since the name Englertville was the local name prior to 1753 and when Doctor Brown set up the first post office naming it Carrick after his home town of Carrick au Suir, in Tipperary Ireland. <br />
<br />
John Agnew’s new home, likely faced the Southern road, (Brownsville road) after looking at a drawing of that house, I Assume;… for the moment ; that it sat where the BP gas station is today. If Agnew also had his South Side glass factory, this older Englert site was razed and resold in small lots; perhaps many of these new residents; were employee’s at his South Side glass works. The Concord church shown on this 1905 map is the “Stone” church where we vote. The original Concord church was a “Wooden” church, Both of the “Concord churches “will show on another survey map, available at Historic Pittsburgh; dated 1916. See the photo of the wooden church below. It was moved away from Brownsville road, Perhaps by Eichley {as they are World Famous for such things} of Pittsburgh but sat for a time in what is now their parking lot. It was used as a high school. <br />
<br />
The convent of Passionist nuns , in the photo above is located at 2700 Churchview Avenue at Spencer. <br />
The map to follow displays name and neighbor hood changes since 1905. This map section is from Concord church and north. On this map, also from 1905, you can see that there were four “ island ;.. flower planters” on THE Boulevard. Looking South /down from there you can see the name Phillips ave. and not, East Meyers Avenue.</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=User:Jkrynock&diff=40User:Jkrynock2008-06-09T13:07:15Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
<hr />
<div>Introduction and short History of the Carrick Overbrook Historical Society<br />
"My",First order of business;"The Hornaday road report."<br />
John Rudiak and I, {Joe Krynock} were talking at the 2007 Hornaday Road, block party. John mentioned that he was researching deed information for his home and also for his daughter’s home. Since John had already been living here when I moved into Carrick (in 1982 ;) I asked John if he knew any historic details about Hornaday or Hornaday Road.<br />
I stated that I wanted to expand on, something I had found by accident. I told him that “Councilman” Phillips and Hornaday were friends. In fact; when they were not hunting together, they promoted stuff like Boy Scouting, better zoos and conservation. “Hornaday?, “Who was he?” John asked. So, I told him; William T. Hornaday was a Writer, a taxidermist and the director of the Bronx zoo. ” How did you find that?” John asked. “Honestly,… ,Years ago; I found and read a book called “Buck fever””,from the University of Pittsburgh Press. It’s about deer hunting and some history in Pennsylvania. It was written by Mike Sajna, {now deceased} I went home and found my copy of “Buck fever” and re-read pages 68 to 78 to refresh my memory.<br />
Then I sent this e mail to John <br />
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:01:16 AM<br />
Subject: Hornaday history : Hey John,Perhaps we could collaborate on a Hornaday history, A kind of story before next years block party. JOE K<br />
<br />
With these few clues we started “OUR” search @ August 20th 2007 John and I started at the Recorder of Deeds office downtown. We researched thru many Deed books to track both of our property records. My initial purpose was to determine a build date for my home, no real date was found. We continued searching for details of Hornaday and Phillips family members, at the John Heinz history center. Independently; we looked for maps and stuff on internet sites. I believe; I found the map sources at Historic Pittsburgh. But it was John who took me into a new and uncharted territory,… with a website idea. John suggested that instead of saving reams of paper and info at our homes,…that we load it all ; into a website for all to explore in their own time and leisure. I found this survey map at Historic Pittsburgh project dated 1905 and I showed it to John. It showed that a John Phillips had owned a piano shaped piece of land for “his mansion”as it faced the Southern Ave.(Brownsville road) This property extended ; EASTWARD > to the Rehman family property from; ” The Southern Ave,also known as the Southern Road ” or “ The plank road,the toll road”} From Pittsburgh to Brownsville Pennsylvania. In those early years; Brownsville was on the first “National Road” also known as route 40 today. It follows General Braddock’s campaign trail to our area. And it served as the first road to the west, (thru Pittsburgh) ,… from ports along the Atlantic coast. Lewis and Clark began their epic explorations , from Pittsburgh’s three rivers. <br />
So,“Hornaday road“; John Phillips owned the entire flat top area of what is now; “Our Hornaday Road” or addresses from 95 to 163.<br />
(By my guess timate; <br />
he had about 18 acres.Here are my assumptions and facts,> I added, lot6 [ 6 acres and 115 perches]and lot 7[> 6 acres and 42 perches ] = 12 acres + 157 perches,almost 13 acres for those two lots alone ; since 160 perches equals one acre. Without all dimensions for lots 1 > 5 that face Brownsville road between Agnew and Madeline; and two lots showing , 5.73 perches each ,….Assuming,…. those lots are equal and amount to > 28.65 perches > I guessed another 5.58 acres for lots 1 thru 5 ; where his home apparently sat .{160 perches equals one acre / which is 208.71 ft by / 208.71 = 43559.8641 sq. feet) <br />
<br />
This John Phillips was vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company (Formerly known as Lewis and Phillips on the South side.) His Mansion sat on lot 3 ; back from Brownsville road (where Hornaday Road is now)and his ”Governor’s style” curved driveway,likely for his horse drawn carriage about the time of the Civil war, curved away from his home to meet the streets; we NOW know as Agnew and Madeline. These street name changes will be explained later. The number 1 Lot, near Philips Mansion is the Zion church property now. This map above; also shows Southern Ave./ also known as Brownsville road , Murray street in now called Madeline, on this map; Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew. (More details of that area later.) <br />
<br />
Hornaday Road,did not exist according to this @ 1905 map ,though plans for our homes and lots were done by a J.B.Murray,John Phillips only owned lots 1 thru 7. It should be easy for Hornaday residents to imagine “Our” road thru the center of his Homestead / Mansion and property Eastward to the bend in Hornaday road and then downhill;beginning at Reaman.(This section lead down to August Waldman's farm, and was called Waldman until >>1913???/ I need to check ny notes and dates of zoning changes) Rihman Heirs {note spelling change}Bielau property then down hill to Dowling street,note the "original" Concord school property on lot 11. <br />
A close examination of the John Phillips home, reveals a platform and a telescope pointed skyward at the center of the roof. John Phillips had a son in 1864, named John. (No middle initial) At this point in time not much else; is known about him. <br />
John MacFarlane Phillips Born in 1861 is our connection to William T. Hornaday. John M. Phillips was not the son But the nephew of this John Phillip’s; the vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company. A better explanation follows in the paragraph below, it is a direct copy from Mike Sajna, in his book “Buck Fever” see pg 69. <br />
<br />
John MacFarlane Phillips was born February 15th. 1861. He was the son of James Phillips, one of the founders of the Oliver Iron and Steel Company, whose own father had come to Western Pennsylvania from Northern Ireland in 1795 to work as a blacksmith. Phillips attended public schools and then studied engineering and was made superintendent of the bolt works and forging plants of the Lewis Oliver and Phillip’s company. Later he became manager of the company’s mining equipment department and in 1899, with his Uncle John, purchased the company’s mine supply division and established the Phillip’s mine and Mill supply company.<br />
<br />
He was that company’s President one year later (1890) not bad at age 29 after starting at the south side company in 1880.< from John Heinz history center sources <br />
At this point of my history search, I do not know exactly when, our man;>“ John M ” Phillips and Hornaday met; I do know that He and Hornaday were hunting together in British Columbia in 1901. They were involved in many aspects of Game protection. The mad rush to the WEST , had nearly wiped out all fur bearers, noteably Buffalo and Beavers. <br />
There are references in various news articles that John M. Had married at that time and took his new bride (Harriet Duff - Phillip’s) to a ranch, where she stayed for a month. Hornaday and Phillips were in Colorado by 1903, by 1906 Phillip’s was an illustrator for another of Hornaday’s many conservation minded books; “Campfire in the Canadian Rockies” <br />
In 1907 they were in Mexico and as they had done before; Hornaday and Phillips donated even more animals from their hunts,for displays in Museums. At the Carnegie museum in Oakland, At least one of Phillips displays remains; in the hall of mammals; it is a glass enclosure of a family of Cheetahs. However, sharing time and common interests generally leads to more of the same. Their common interests; Zoos, conservation, camping and hunting helped bring these men together; there was a seven year age difference between them. Hornaday and Phillips realized that outdoor training and conservation / awareness would be fostered in youth thru Boy Scouting. They were not alone in their thinking. <br />
According to Mike Sajna; John MacFarlane Phillips organized the First Boy Scout troop in Pennsylvania, in 1910; it was the Second such troop in America. Phillip’s provided its members with a place to meet; in his home at 2336 Brownsville road. {At this point in time I am awaiting additional information , and//or confirmation of some of these details from a contact in the Pgh. Boy Scouts} Since February of 2008. This location is now the site of Saint Piax church, a small remnant of the original “castellated” stone wall remains between the church and the New Concord School, '''But most likely ,… not for long.'''''Italic text''. In front of the Church the wall had been lowered But it returns to it’s original “castellated” height and location in front of the 1907 home to the right of the church. Phillips home was also used for the celebration of many church services until 1959.<br />
<br />
Continuing the list of land owners involved with Hornaday Road at that time, We find the Bielau plan of lots beginning with address 201 downhill to approximately 229.<br />
Bernarding owned lots adjoining these, additional odd numbered addresses to 253? <br />
Directly on the opposite side were lots that were divided from August Waldman’s farm. In fact; this section of our road was called Waldman until several zoning changes were made in 1913. The earlier plan was to connect another 364 foot long section of road from Agnew to Hornaday road, but this would connect three sections of Red rose; (all 1202 feet long) but that would have required eliminating John Rudiaks lot and home at 219 Hornaday road.<br />
<br />
Eliza Weber owned all the lots on the eastern side of Redrose. At this time ten homes facing Redrose and perhaps four more facing Hornaday; share her original property. Roughly speaking, fourteen of the 22 addresses listed on this street seam to have been built by the same builder, and @ the same time; 1927. There are older homes, dated from 1876, 1900, 1904, 1907and 1910; if county records were always correct. As shown on the accompanying plan of lots, William F Seiger owned approximately two acres which was divided into 14 parcels. Ten lots were on the western side of Redrose and four lots were to face Hornaday. Two homes, at 218 and 220 Hornaday were built on lots three and four.<br />
My home at 216 was built on lots one and two.<br />
<br />
Prior to 1927, this area, was known as; Carrick borough; Lower Saint Clair and a part of The Baldwin township ; Carrick borough by a earlier dated local vote was officially annexed into the city of Pittsburgh ; in 1927. The Old and narrow borough building , is at 1808 Brownsville road , left of the old fire hall {More about “ it “later} Before 1927, Carrick already had the first sewerage system in western Pennsylvania; just step out to Hornaday road to see the Carrick Boro logos, that John Rudiak found and photographed, on our manhole covers. <br />
In its borough days, Carrick also had the first filtered water supply in western Pennsylvania; with 180 pounds per square inch of pressure; coming from the South Pittsburgh water plant, located at Beck’s run. Carrick boro and its business men had already begun paving its streets and sidewalks; with planks of wood three inches thick. John MacFarlane Phillips; for the most part paid for two such sidewalks, they were from Becks Run , along Brownsville road to Mt Oliver. The first was four feet wide and the second was six feet wide. Once annexed into the city, some street names were changed to avoid duplication of existing street names,in use somewhere in Pittsburgh. Murray street became Madeline and the original bend in Murray Ave.{ Look between Mur ray’s R’s on the 1905 map} has since been straightened. Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew and was also a township road in The Baldwin township until 1927. Take a look at The Crailo plan, Southern Avenue land company on the 1905 map, Just north of Our homes. This area was owned by John Agnew, beginning with its narrow lots on the North side of the street that bears his name. One of my early assumptions about this area; have been proved correct, this fifty two acre parcel of land; was given to John Agnew and his wife; by her father. Agnew and Chambers operated a glass works there. I contacted, Susan Buyers; An Agnew relative to ask if Agnew and Chambers had taken over Englert glass; the first glass factory in Pittsburgh. She did NOT verify that question. But If she had , another early historic puzzle piece would fall into place. Since the name Englertville was the local name prior to 1753 and when Doctor Brown set up the first post office naming it Carrick after his home town of Carrick au Suir, in Tipperary Ireland. <br />
<br />
John Agnew’s new home, likely faced the Southern road, (Brownsville road) after looking at a drawing of that house, I Assume;… for the moment ; that it sat where the BP gas station is today. If Agnew also had his South Side glass factory, this older Englert site was razed and resold in small lots; perhaps many of these new residents; were employee’s at his South Side glass works. The Concord church shown on this 1905 map is the “Stone” church where we vote. The original Concord church was a “Wooden” church, Both of the “Concord churches “will show on another survey map, available at Historic Pittsburgh; dated 1916. See the photo of the wooden church below. It was moved away from Brownsville road, Perhaps by Eichley {as they are World Famous for such things} of Pittsburgh but sat for a time in what is now their parking lot. It was used as a high school. <br />
<br />
The convent of Passionist nuns , in the photo above is located at 2700 Churchview Avenue at Spencer. <br />
The map to follow displays name and neighbor hood changes since 1905. This map section is from Concord church and north. On this map, also from 1905, you can see that there were four “ island ;.. flower planters” on THE Boulevard. Looking South /down from there you can see the name Phillips ave. and not, East Meyers Avenue.</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=User:Jkrynock&diff=39User:Jkrynock2008-06-09T13:00:32Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
<hr />
<div>Introduction and short History of the Carrick Overbrook Historical Society<br />
First order of business. The Hornaday road report<br />
John Rudiak and I, {Joe Krynock} were talking at the 2007 Hornaday Road, block party. <br />
John mentioned that he was researching deed information for his home and also for his daughter’s home. Since John had already been living here when I moved into Carrick (in 1982 ;) I asked John if he knew any historic details about Hornaday or Hornaday Road.<br />
I stated that I wanted to expand on, something I had found by accident. I told him that “Councilman” Phillips and Hornaday were friends. In fact; when they were not hunting together, they promoted stuff like Boy Scouting, better zoos and conservation. “Hornaday?, “Who was he?” John asked. So, I told him; William T. Hornaday was a Writer, a taxidermist and the director of the Bronx zoo. ” How did you find that?” John asked. “Honestly,… ,Years ago; I found and read a book called “Buck fever””,from the University of Pittsburgh Press. It’s about deer hunting and some history in Pennsylvania. It was written by Mike Sajna, {now deceased} I went home and found my copy of “Buck fever” and re-read pages 68 to 78 to refresh my memory.<br />
Then I sent this e mail to John <br />
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:01:16 AM<br />
Subject: Hornaday history : Hey John,Perhaps we could collaborate on a Hornaday history, A kind of story before next years block party. JOE K<br />
<br />
With these few clues we started “OUR” search @ August 20th 2007 John and I started at the Recorder of Deeds office downtown. We researched thru many Deed books to track both of our property records. My initial purpose was to determine a build date for my home, no real date was found. We continued searching for details of Hornaday and Phillips family members, at the John Heinz history center. Independently; we looked for maps and stuff on internet sites. I believe; I found the map sources at Historic Pittsburgh. But it was John who took me into a new and uncharted territory,… with a website idea. John suggested that instead of saving reams of paper and info at our homes,…that we load it all ; into a website for all to explore in their own time and leisure. I found this survey map at Historic Pittsburgh project dated 1905 and I showed it to John. It showed that a John Phillips had owned a piano shaped piece of land for “his mansion”as it faced the Southern Ave.(Brownsville road) This property extended ; EASTWARD > to the Rehman family property from; ” The Southern Ave,also known as the Southern Road ” or “ The plank road,the toll road”} From Pittsburgh to Brownsville Pennsylvania. In those early years; Brownsville was on the first “National Road” also known as route 40 today. It follows General Braddock’s campaign trail to our area. And it served as the first road to the west, (thru Pittsburgh) ,… from ports along the Atlantic coast. Lewis and Clark began their epic explorations , from Pittsburgh’s three rivers. <br />
So,“Hornaday road“; John Phillips owned the entire flat top area of what is now; “Our Hornaday Road” or addresses from 95 to 163.<br />
(By my guess timate; <br />
he had about 18 acres.Here are my assumptions and facts,> I added, lot6 [ 6 acres and 115 perches]and lot 7[> 6 acres and 42 perches ] = 12 acres + 157 perches,almost 13 acres for those two lots alone ; since 160 perches equals one acre. Without all dimensions for lots 1 > 5 that face Brownsville road between Agnew and Madeline; and two lots showing , 5.73 perches each ,….Assuming,…. those lots are equal and amount to > 28.65 perches > I guessed another 5.58 acres for lots 1 thru 5 ; where his home apparently sat .{160 perches equals one acre / which is 208.71 ft by / 208.71 = 43559.8641 sq. feet) <br />
<br />
This John Phillips was vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company (Formerly known as Lewis and Phillips on the South side.) His Mansion sat on lot 3 ; back from Brownsville road (where Hornaday Road is now)and his ”Governor’s style” curved driveway,likely for his horse drawn carriage about the time of the Civil war, curved away from his home to meet the streets; we NOW know as Agnew and Madeline. These street name changes will be explained later. The number 1 Lot, near Philips Mansion is the Zion church property now. This map above; also shows Southern Ave./ also known as Brownsville road , Murray street in now called Madeline, on this map; Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew. (More details of that area later.) <br />
<br />
Hornaday Road,did not exist according to this @ 1905 map ,though plans for our homes and lots were done by a J.B.Murray,John Phillips only owned lots 1 thru 7. It should be easy for Hornaday residents to imagine “Our” road thru the center of his Homestead / Mansion and property Eastward to the bend in Hornaday road and then downhill;beginning at Reaman.(This section lead down to August Waldman's farm, and was called Waldman until >>1913???/ I need to check ny notes and dates of zoning changes) Rihman Heirs {note spelling change}Bielau property then down hill to Dowling street,note the "original" Concord school property on lot 11. <br />
A close examination of the John Phillips home, reveals a platform and a telescope pointed skyward at the center of the roof. John Phillips had a son in 1864, named John. (No middle initial) At this point in time not much else; is known about him. <br />
John MacFarlane Phillips Born in 1861 is our connection to William T. Hornaday. John M. Phillips was not the son But the nephew of this John Phillip’s; the vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company. A better explanation follows in the paragraph below, it is a direct copy from Mike Sajna, in his book “Buck Fever” see pg 69. <br />
<br />
John MacFarlane Phillips was born February 15th. 1861. He was the son of James Phillips, one of the founders of the Oliver Iron and Steel Company, whose own father had come to Western Pennsylvania from Northern Ireland in 1795 to work as a blacksmith. Phillips attended public schools and then studied engineering and was made superintendent of the bolt works and forging plants of the Lewis Oliver and Phillip’s company. Later he became manager of the company’s mining equipment department and in 1899, with his Uncle John, purchased the company’s mine supply division and established the Phillip’s mine and Mill supply company.<br />
<br />
He was that company’s President one year later (1890) not bad at age 29 after starting at the south side company in 1880.< from John Heinz history center sources <br />
At this point of my history search, I do not know exactly when, our man;>“ John M ” Phillips and Hornaday met; I do know that He and Hornaday were hunting together in British Columbia in 1901. They were involved in many aspects of Game protection. The mad rush to the WEST , had nearly wiped out all fur bearers, noteably Buffalo and Beavers. <br />
There are references in various news articles that John M. Had married at that time and took his new bride (Harriet Duff - Phillip’s) to a ranch, where she stayed for a month. Hornaday and Phillips were in Colorado by 1903, by 1906 Phillip’s was an illustrator for another of Hornaday’s many conservation minded books; “Campfire in the Canadian Rockies” <br />
In 1907 they were in Mexico and as they had done before; Hornaday and Phillips donated even more animals from their hunts,for displays in Museums. At the Carnegie museum in Oakland, At least one of Phillips displays remains; in the hall of mammals; it is a glass enclosure of a family of Cheetahs. However, sharing time and common interests generally leads to more of the same. Their common interests; Zoos, conservation, camping and hunting helped bring these men together; there was a seven year age difference between them. Hornaday and Phillips realized that outdoor training and conservation / awareness would be fostered in youth thru Boy Scouting. They were not alone in their thinking. <br />
According to Mike Sajna; John MacFarlane Phillips organized the First Boy Scout troop in Pennsylvania, in 1910; it was the Second such troop in America. Phillip’s provided its members with a place to meet; in his home at 2336 Brownsville road. {At this point in time I am awaiting additional information , and//or confirmation of some of these details from a contact in the Pgh. Boy Scouts} Since February of 2008. This location is now the site of Saint Piax church, a small remnant of the original “castellated” stone wall remains between the church and the New Concord School, '''But most likely ,… not for long.'''''Italic text''. In front of the Church the wall had been lowered But it returns to it’s original “castellated” height and location in front of the 1907 home to the right of the church. Phillips home was also used for the celebration of many church services until 1959.<br />
<br />
Continuing the list of land owners involved with Hornaday Road at that time, We find the Bielau plan of lots beginning with address 201 downhill to approximately 229.<br />
Bernarding owned lots adjoining these, additional odd numbered addresses to 253? <br />
Directly on the opposite side were lots that were divided from August Waldman’s farm. In fact; this section of our road was called Waldman until several zoning changes were made in 1913. The earlier plan was to connect another 364 foot long section of road from Agnew to Hornaday road, but this would connect three sections of Red rose; (all 1202 feet long) but that would have required eliminating John Rudiaks lot and home at 219 Hornaday road.<br />
<br />
Eliza Weber owned all the lots on the eastern side of Redrose. At this time ten homes facing Redrose and perhaps four more facing Hornaday; share her original property. Roughly speaking, fourteen of the 22 addresses listed on this street seam to have been built by the same builder, and @ the same time; 1927. There are older homes, dated from 1876, 1900, 1904, 1907and 1910; if county records were always correct. As shown on the accompanying plan of lots, William F Seiger owned approximately two acres which was divided into 14 parcels. Ten lots were on the western side of Redrose and four lots were to face Hornaday. Two homes, at 218 and 220 Hornaday were built on lots three and four.<br />
My home at 216 was built on lots one and two.<br />
<br />
Prior to 1927, this area, was known as; Carrick borough; Lower Saint Clair and a part of The Baldwin township ; Carrick borough by a earlier dated local vote was officially annexed into the city of Pittsburgh ; in 1927. The Old and narrow borough building , is at 1808 Brownsville road , left of the old fire hall {More about “ it “later} Before 1927, Carrick already had the first sewerage system in western Pennsylvania; just step out to Hornaday road to see the Carrick Boro logos, that John Rudiak found and photographed, on our manhole covers. <br />
In its borough days, Carrick also had the first filtered water supply in western Pennsylvania; with 180 pounds per square inch of pressure; coming from the South Pittsburgh water plant, located at Beck’s run. Carrick boro and its business men had already begun paving its streets and sidewalks; with planks of wood three inches thick. John MacFarlane Phillips; for the most part paid for two such sidewalks, they were from Becks Run , along Brownsville road to Mt Oliver. The first was four feet wide and the second was six feet wide. Once annexed into the city, some street names were changed to avoid duplication of existing street names,in use somewhere in Pittsburgh. Murray street became Madeline and the original bend in Murray Ave.{ Look between Mur ray’s R’s on the 1905 map} has since been straightened. Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew and was also a township road in The Baldwin township until 1927. Take a look at The Crailo plan, Southern Avenue land company on the 1905 map, Just north of Our homes. This area was owned by John Agnew, beginning with its narrow lots on the North side of the street that bears his name. One of my early assumptions about this area; have been proved correct, this fifty two acre parcel of land; was given to John Agnew and his wife; by her father. Agnew and Chambers operated a glass works there. I contacted, Susan Buyers; An Agnew relative to ask if Agnew and Chambers had taken over Englert glass; the first glass factory in Pittsburgh. She did NOT verify that question. But If she had , another early historic puzzle piece would fall into place. Since the name Englertville was the local name prior to 1753 and when Doctor Brown set up the first post office naming it Carrick after his home town of Carrick au Suir, in Tipperary Ireland. <br />
<br />
John Agnew’s new home, likely faced the Southern road, (Brownsville road) after looking at a drawing of that house, I Assume;… for the moment ; that it sat where the BP gas station is today. If Agnew also had his South Side glass factory, this older Englert site was razed and resold in small lots; perhaps many of these new residents; were employee’s at his South Side glass works. The Concord church shown on this 1905 map is the “Stone” church where we vote. The original Concord church was a “Wooden” church, Both of the “Concord churches “will show on another survey map, available at Historic Pittsburgh; dated 1916. See the photo of the wooden church below. It was moved away from Brownsville road, Perhaps by Eichley {as they are World Famous for such things} of Pittsburgh but sat for a time in what is now their parking lot. It was used as a high school. <br />
<br />
The convent of Passionist nuns , in the photo above is located at 2700 Churchview Avenue at Spencer. <br />
The map to follow displays name and neighbor hood changes since 1905. This map section is from Concord church and north. On this map, also from 1905, you can see that there were four “ island ;.. flower planters” on THE Boulevard. Looking South /down from there you can see the name Phillips ave. and not, East Meyers Avenue.</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=User:Jkrynock&diff=38User:Jkrynock2008-06-09T12:52:38Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
<hr />
<div>Introduction and short History of the Carrick Overbrook Historical Society<br />
First order of business. The Hornaday road report<br />
John Rudiak and I, {Joe Krynock} were talking at the 2007 Hornaday Road, block party. <br />
John mentioned that he was researching deed information for his home and also for his daughter’s home. Since John had already been living here when I moved into Carrick (in 1982 ;) I asked John if he knew any historic details about Hornaday or Hornaday Road.<br />
I stated that I wanted to expand on, something I had found by accident. I told him that “Councilman” Phillips and Hornaday were friends. In fact; when they were not hunting together, they promoted stuff like Boy Scouting, better zoos and conservation. “Hornaday?, “Who was he?” John asked. So, I told him; William T. Hornaday was a Writer, a taxidermist and the director of the Bronx zoo. ” How did you find that?” John asked. “Honestly,… ,Years ago; I found and read a book called “Buck fever””,from the University of Pittsburgh Press. It’s about deer hunting and some history in Pennsylvania. It was written by Mike Sajna, {now deceased} I went home and found my copy of “Buck fever” and re-read pages 68 to 78 to refresh my memory.<br />
Then I sent this e mail to John <br />
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:01:16 AM<br />
Subject: Hornaday history : Hey John,Perhaps we could collaborate on a Hornaday history, A kind of story before next years block party. JOE K<br />
<br />
With these few clues we started “OUR” search @ August 20th 2007 John and I started at the Recorder of Deeds office downtown. We researched thru many Deed books to track both of our property records. My initial purpose was to determine a build date for my home, no real date was found. We continued searching for details of Hornaday and Phillips family members, at the John Heinz history center. Independently; we looked for maps and stuff on internet sites. I believe; I found the map sources at Historic Pittsburgh. But it was John who took me into a new and uncharted territory,… with a website idea. John suggested that instead of saving reams of paper and info at our homes,…that we load it all ; into a website for all to explore in their own time and leisure. I found this survey map at Historic Pittsburgh project dated 1905 and I showed it to John. It showed that a John Phillips had owned a piano shaped piece of land for “his mansion”as it faced the Southern Ave.(Brownsville road) This property extended ; EASTWARD > to the Rehman family property from; ” The Southern Ave,also known as the Southern Road ” or “ The plank road,the toll road”} From Pittsburgh to Brownsville Pennsylvania. In those early years; Brownsville was on the first “National Road” also known as route 40 today. It follows General Braddock’s campaign trail to our area. And it served as the first road to the west, (thru Pittsburgh) ,… from ports along the Atlantic coast. Lewis and Clark began their epic explorations , from Pittsburgh’s three rivers. <br />
So,“Hornaday road“; John Phillips owned the entire flat top area of what is now; “Our Hornaday Road” or addresses from 95 to 163.<br />
(By my guess timate; <br />
he had about 18 acres.Here are my assumptions and facts,> I added, lot6 [ 6 acres and 115 perches]and lot 7[> 6 acres and 42 perches ] = 12 acres + 157 perches,almost 13 acres for those two lots alone ; since 160 perches equals one acre. Without all dimensions for lots 1 > 5 that face Brownsville road between Agnew and Madeline; and two lots showing , 5.73 perches each ,….Assuming,…. those lots are equal and amount to > 28.65 perches > I guessed another 5.58 acres for lots 1 thru 5 ; where his home apparently sat .{160 perches equals one acre / which is 208.71 ft by / 208.71 = 43559.8641 sq. feet) <br />
<br />
This John Phillips was vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company (Formerly known as Lewis and Phillips on the South side.) His Mansion sat on lot 3 ; back from Brownsville road (where Hornaday Road is now)and his ”Governor’s style” curved driveway,likely for his horse drawn carriage about the time of the Civil war, curved away from his home to meet the streets; we NOW know as Agnew and Madeline. These street name changes will be explained later. The number 1 Lot, near Philips Mansion is the Zion church property now. This map above; also shows Southern Ave./ also known as Brownsville road , Murray street in now called Madeline, on this map; Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew. (More details of that area later.) <br />
<br />
Hornaday Road,did not exist according to this @ 1905 map ,though plans for our homes and lots were done by a J.B.Murray,John Phillips only owned lots 1 thru 7. It should be easy for Hornaday residents to imagine “Our” road thru the center of his Homestead / Mansion and property Eastward to the bend in Hornaday road and then downhill;beginning at Reaman.(This section lead down to August Waldman's farm, and was called Waldman until >>1913???/ I need to check ny notes and dates of zoning changes) Rihman Heirs {note spelling change}Bielau property then down hill to Dowling street,note the "original" Concord school property on lot 11. <br />
A close examination of the John Phillips home, reveals a platform and a telescope pointed skyward at the center of the roof. John Phillips had a son in 1864, named John. (No middle initial) At this point in time not much else; is known about him. <br />
John MacFarlane Phillips Born in 1861 is our connection to William T. Hornaday. John M. Phillips was not the son But the nephew of this John Phillip’s; the vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company. A better explanation follows in the paragraph below, it is a direct copy from Mike Sajna, in his book “Buck Fever” see pg 69. <br />
<br />
John MacFarlane Phillips was born February 15th. 1861. He was the son of James Phillips, one of the founders of the Oliver Iron and Steel Company, whose own father had come to Western Pennsylvania from Northern Ireland in 1795 to work as a blacksmith. Phillips attended public schools and then studied engineering and was made superintendent of the bolt works and forging plants of the Lewis Oliver and Phillip’s company. Later he became manager of the company’s mining equipment department and in 1899, with his Uncle John, purchased the company’s mine supply division and established the Phillip’s mine and Mill supply company.<br />
<br />
He was that company’s President one year later (1890) not bad at age 29 after starting at the south side company in 1880.< from John Heinz history center sources <br />
At this point of my history search, I do not know exactly when, our man;>“ John M ” Phillips and Hornaday met; I do know that He and Hornaday were hunting together in British Columbia in 1901. They were involved in many aspects of Game protection. The mad rush to the WEST , had nearly wiped out all fur bearers, noteably Buffalo and Beavers. <br />
There are references in various news articles that John M. Had married at that time and took his new bride (Harriet Duff - Phillip’s) to a ranch, where she stayed for a month. Hornaday and Phillips were in Colorado by 1903, by 1906 Phillip’s was an illustrator for another of Hornaday’s many conservation minded books; “Campfire in the Canadian Rockies” <br />
In 1907 they were in Mexico and as they had done before; Hornaday and Phillips donated even more animals from their hunts,for displays in Museums. At the Carnegie museum in Oakland, At least one of Phillips displays remains; in the hall of mammals; it is a glass enclosure of a family of Cheetahs. However, sharing time and common interests generally leads to more of the same. Their common interests; Zoos, conservation, camping and hunting helped bring these men together; there was a seven year age difference between them. Hornaday and Phillips realized that outdoor training and conservation / awareness would be fostered in youth thru Boy Scouting. They were not alone in their thinking. <br />
According to Mike Sajna; John MacFarlane Phillips organized the First Boy Scout troop in Pennsylvania, in 1910; it was the Second such troop in America. Phillip’s provided its members with a place to meet; in his home at 2336 Brownsville road. {At this point in time I am awaiting additional information , and//or confirmation of some of these details from a contact in the Pgh. Boy Scouts} Since February of 2008. This location is now the site of Saint Piax church, a small remnant of the original “castellated” stone wall remains between the church and the New Concord School, '''But most likely ,… not for long.'''''Italic text''. In front of the Church the wall had been lowered But it returns to it’s original “castellated” height and location in front of the 1907 home to the right of the church. Phillips home was also used for the celebration of many church services until 1959.<br />
<br />
Continuing the list of land owners involved with Hornaday Road at that time, We find the Bielau plan of lots beginning with address 201 downhill to approximately 229.<br />
Bernarding owned lots adjoining these, additional odd numbered addresses to 253? <br />
Directly on the opposite side were lots that were divided from August Waldman’s farm. In fact; this section of our road was called Waldman until several zoning changes were made in 1913. The earlier plan was to connect another 364 foot long section of road from Agnew to Hornaday road, but this would connect three sections of Red rose; (all 1202 feet long) but that would have required eliminating John Rudiaks lot and home at 219 Hornaday road.<br />
<br />
Eliza Weber owned all the lots on the eastern side of Redrose. At this time ten homes facing Redrose and perhaps four more facing Hornaday; share her original property. Roughly speaking, fourteen of the 22 addresses listed on this street seam to have been built by the same builder, and @ the same time; 1927. There are older homes, dated from 1876, 1900, 1904, 1907and 1910; if county records were always correct. As shown on the accompanying plan of lots, William F Seiger owned approximately two acres which was divided into 14 parcels. Ten lots were on the western side of Redrose and four lots were to face Hornaday. Two homes, at 218 and 220 Hornaday were built on lots three and four.<br />
My home at 216 was built on lots one and two.<br />
<br />
Prior to 1927, this area, was known as; Carrick borough; Lower Saint Clair and a part of The Baldwin township ; Carrick borough by a earlier dated local vote was officially annexed into the city of Pittsburgh ; in 1927. The Old and narrow borough building , is at 1808 Brownsville road , left of the old fire hall {More about “ it “later} Before 1927, Carrick already had the first sewerage system in western Pennsylvania; just step out to Hornaday road to see the Carrick Boro logos, that John Rudiak found and photographed, on our manhole covers. <br />
In its borough days, Carrick also had the first filtered water supply in western Pennsylvania; with 180 pounds per square inch of pressure; coming from the South Pittsburgh water plant, located at Beck’s run. Carrick boro and its business men had already begun paving its streets and sidewalks; with planks of wood three inches thick. John MacFarlane Phillips; for the most part paid for two such sidewalks, they were from Becks Run , along Brownsville road to Mt Oliver. The first was four feet wide and the second was six feet wide. Once annexed into the city, some street names were changed to avoid duplication of those street names, already in use elsewhere in Pittsburgh. Murray street became Madeline, and the original bend in Murray Ave.{ Look between Mur ray’s R’s on the 1905 map} has since been straightened. Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew and was also a township road in The Baldwin township until 1927. Take a look at The Crailo plan, Southern Avenue land company on the 1905 map, Just north of Our homes. This area was owned by John Agnew, beginning with its narrow lots on the North side of the street that bears his name. One of my early assumptions about this area; have been proved correct, this fifty two acre parcel of land; was given to John Agnew and his wife; by her father. Agnew and Chambers operated a glass works there. I contacted, Susan Buyers; An Agnew relative to ask if Agnew and Chambers had taken over Englert glass; the first glass factory in Pittsburgh. She did NOT verify that question. But If she had , another early historic puzzle piece would fall into place. Since the name Englertville was the local name prior to 1753 and when Doctor Brown set up the first post office naming it Carrick after his home town of Carrick au Suir, in Tipperary Ireland. <br />
<br />
John Agnew’s new home, likely faced the Southern road,(Brownsville road) after looking at a drawing of that house, I Assume;… for the moment ; that it sat where the BP gas station is today. If Agnew also had his South Side glass factory, this older Englert site was razed and resold in small lots; perhaps many of these new residents; were employee’s at his South Side glass works. The Concord church shown on this 1905 map is the “Stone” church where we vote. The original Concord church was a “Wooden” church, Both of the “Concord churches “will show on another survey map, available at Historic Pittsburgh; dated 1916. See the photo of the wooden church below. It was moved away from Brownsville road, Perhaps by Eichley {as they are World Famous for such things} of Pittsburgh but sat for a time in what is now their parking lot. It was used as a high school. <br />
<br />
The convent of Passionist nuns , in the photo above is located at 2700 Churchview Avenue at Spencer. <br />
The map to follow displays name and neighbor hood changes since 1905. This map section is from Concord church and north. On this map, also from 1905, you can see that there were four “ island ;.. flower planters” on THE Boulevard. Looking South /down from there you can see the name Phillips ave. and not, East Meyers Avenue.</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=User:Jkrynock&diff=37User:Jkrynock2008-06-09T12:19:57Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
<hr />
<div>Introduction and short History of the Carrick Overbrook Historical Society<br />
First order of business. The Hornaday road report<br />
John Rudiak and I, {Joe Krynock} were talking at the 2007 Hornaday Road, block party. <br />
John mentioned that he was researching deed information for his home and also for his daughter’s home. Since John had already been living here when I moved into Carrick (in 1982 ;) I asked John if he knew any historic details about Hornaday or Hornaday Road.<br />
I stated that I wanted to expand on, something I had found by accident. I told him that “Councilman” Phillips and Hornaday were friends. In fact; when they were not hunting together, they promoted stuff like Boy Scouting, better zoos and conservation. “Hornaday?, “Who was he?” John asked. So, I told him; William T. Hornaday was a Writer, a taxidermist and the director of the Bronx zoo. ” How did you find that?” John asked. “Honestly,… ,Years ago; I found and read a book called “Buck fever””,from the University of Pittsburgh Press. It’s about deer hunting and some history in Pennsylvania. It was written by Mike Sajna, {now deceased} I went home and found my copy of “Buck fever” and re-read pages 68 to 78 to refresh my memory.<br />
Then I sent this e mail to John <br />
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:01:16 AM<br />
Subject: Hornaday history : Hey John,Perhaps we could collaborate on a Hornaday history, A kind of story before next years block party. JOE K<br />
<br />
With these few clues we started “OUR” search @ August 20th 2007 John and I started at the Recorder of Deeds office downtown. We researched thru many Deed books to track both of our property records. My initial purpose was to determine a build date for my home, no real date was found. We continued searching for details of Hornaday and Phillips family members, at the John Heinz history center. Independently; we looked for maps and stuff on internet sites. I believe; I found the map sources at Historic Pittsburgh. But it was John who took me into a new and uncharted territory,… with a website idea. John suggested that instead of saving reams of paper and info at our homes,…that we load it all ; into a website for all to explore in their own time and leisure. I found this survey map at Historic Pittsburgh project dated 1905 and I showed it to John. It showed that a John Phillips had owned a piano shaped piece of land for “his mansion”as it faced the Southern Ave.(Brownsville road) This property extended ; EASTWARD > to the Rehman family property from; ” The Southern Ave, {also known as the Southern Road ” or “ The plank road, the toll road”} From Pittsburg to Brownsville Pennsylvania.(No > h on Pgh. in those early years) Brownsville was on the first “National Road” also known as route 40 today. It follows General Braddock’s campaign trail to our area. And it served as the first road to the west, (thru Pittsburgh) ,… from ports along the Atlantic coast. Lewis and Clark began their epic explorations , from Pittsburgh’s three rivers. <br />
So, “Uncle“ John Phillips owned the entire flat top area of what is now; “Our Hornaday Road” or addresses<br />
from 95 to 163.(By my guess timate; <br />
perhaps he had 18 acres.I added, lot6 [ 6 acres and 115 perches]and lot 7[> 6 acres and 42 perches ] = 12 acres + 157 perches,almost 13 acres for those two lots alone ; since 160 perches equals one acre. <br />
Without all dimensions for lots 1 > 5 that face Brownsville road between Agnew and Madeline; and two lots showing , 5.73 perches each ,….Assuming,…. those lots are equal and amount to > 28.65 perches > I guessed another 5.58 acres for lots 1 thru 5 ; where his home apparently sat .{160 perches equals one acre / which is 208.71 ft by / 208.71 = 43559.8641 sq. feet) <br />
This John Phillips was vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company (Formerly known as Lewis and Phillips on the South side.) His Mansion sat on lot 3 ; back from Brownsville road (where Hornaday Road is now) and his ”Governor’s style” curved driveway, likely for his horse drawn carriage about the time of the Civil war, curved away from his home to meet the streets; we NOW know as Agnew and Madeline. These street name changes will be explained later. The number 1 Lot, near Philips Mansion is the Zion church property now. This map above; also shows Southern Ave./ also known as Brownsville road , Murray street in now called Madeline, on this map; Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew. <br />
(More details later) <br />
Hornaday Road , did not exist according to this @ 1905 map , though plans for our homes and lots were done by a J.B.Murray , John Phillips only owned lots 1 thru 7. It should be easy for Hornaday residents to imagine “Our” road thru the center of his Homestead / Mansion and property Eastward to the bend in Hornaday road and downhill at Reaman . <br />
Rihman Heirs {note spelling change} / Bielau property then down hill to Dowling street, note the original Concord school property on lot 11. <br />
<br />
A close examination of the John Phillips home, reveals a platform and a telescope pointed skyward at the center of the roof. John Phillips had a son in 1864, named John. (No middle initial) At this point in time not much else; is known about him. <br />
John MacFarlane Phillips Born in 1861 is our connection to William T. Hornaday. John M. Phillips was not the son But the nephew of this John Phillip’s; the vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company. A better explanation follows in the paragraph below, it is a direct copy from Mike Sajna, in his book “Buck Fever” see pg 69. <br />
John MacFarlane Phillips was born February 15th. 1861. He was the son of James Phillips, one of the founders of the Oliver Iron and Steel Company, whose own father had come to Western Pennsylvania from Northern Ireland in 1795 to work as a blacksmith. Phillips attended public schools and then studied engineering and was made superintendent of the bolt works and forging plants of the Lewis Oliver and Phillip’s company. Later he became manager of the company’s mining equipment department and in 1899, with his Uncle John, purchased the company’s mine supply division and established the Phillip’s mine and Mill supply company.<br />
He was that company’s President one year later (1890) not bad at age 29 after starting at the south side company in 1880. < from John Heinz history center sources <br />
At this point of my history search, I do not know exactly when, our man;>“ John M ” Phillips and Hornaday met; I do know that He and Hornaday were hunting together in British Columbia in 1901. They were involved in many aspects of Game protection. The mad rush to the WEST , had nearly wiped out all fur bearers, noteably Buffalo and Beavers. <br />
There are references in various news articles that John M. Had married at that time and took his new bride (Harriet Duff - Phillip’s) to a ranch, where she stayed for a month. Hornaday and Phillips were in Colorado by 1903, by 1906 Phillip’s was an illustrator for another of Hornaday’s many conservation minded books; “Campfire in the Canadian Rockies” <br />
In 1907 they were in Mexico and as they had done before; Hornaday and Phillips donated even more animals from their hunts, for displays in Museums. At the Carnegie museum in Oakland, At least one of Phillips displays remains; in the hall of mammals; it is a glass enclosure of a family of Cheetahs. However, sharing time and common interests generally leads to more of the same. Their common interests; Zoos, conservation, camping and hunting helped bring these men together; there was a seven year age difference between them. Hornaday and Phillips realized that outdoor training and conservation / awareness would be fostered in youth thru Boy Scouting. They were not alone in their thinking. <br />
According to Mike Sajna; John MacFarlane Phillips organized the First Boy Scout troop in Pennsylvania, in 1910; it was the Second such troop in America. Phillip’s provided its members with a place to meet; in his home at 2336 Brownsville road. {At this point in time I am awaiting additional information , and//or confirmation of some of these details from a contact in the Pgh. Boy Scouts} Since February of 2008. This location is now the site of Saint Piax church, a small remnant of the original “castellated” stone wall remains between the church and the New Concord School, '''But most likely ,… not for long.'''''Italic text''. In front of the Church the wall had been lowered But it returns to it’s original “castellated” height and location in front of the 1907 home to the right of the church. Phillips home was also used for the celebration of many church services until 1959.<br />
<br />
Continuing the list of land owners involved with Hornaday Road at that time, We find the Bielau plan of lots beginning with address 201 downhill to approximately 229.<br />
Bernarding owned lots adjoining these, additional odd numbered addresses to 253? <br />
Directly on the opposite side were lots that were divided from August Waldman’s farm. In fact; this section of our road was called Waldman until several zoning changes were made in 1913. The earlier plan was to connect another 364 foot long section of road from Agnew to Hornaday road, but this would connect three sections of Red rose; (all 1202 feet long) but that would have required eliminating John Rudiaks lot and home at 219 Hornaday road.<br />
<br />
Eliza Weber owned all the lots on the eastern side of Redrose. At this time ten homes facing Redrose and perhaps four more facing Hornaday; share her original property. Roughly speaking, fourteen of the 22 addresses listed on this street seam to have been built by the same builder, and @ the same time; 1927. There are older homes, dated from 1876, 1900, 1904, 1907and 1910; if county records were always correct. As shown on the accompanying plan of lots, William F Seiger owned approximately two acres which was divided into 14 parcels. Ten lots were on the western side of Redrose and four lots were to face Hornaday. Two homes, at 218 and 220 Hornaday were built on lots three and four.<br />
My home at 216 was built on lots one and two.<br />
<br />
Prior to 1927, this area, was known as; Carrick borough; Lower Saint Clair and a part of The Baldwin township ; Carrick borough by a earlier dated local vote was officially annexed into the city of Pittsburgh ; in 1927. The Old and narrow borough building , is at 1808 Brownsville road , left of the old fire hall {More about “ it “later} Before 1927, Carrick already had the first sewerage system in western Pennsylvania; just step out to Hornaday road to see the Carrick Boro logos, that John Rudiak found and photographed, on our manhole covers. <br />
In its borough days, Carrick also had the first filtered water supply in western Pennsylvania; with 180 pounds per square inch of pressure; coming from the South Pittsburgh water plant, located at Beck’s run. Carrick boro and its business men had already begun paving its streets and sidewalks; with planks of wood three inches thick. John MacFarlane Phillips; for the most part paid for two such sidewalks, they were from Becks Run , along Brownsville road to Mt Oliver. The first was four feet wide and the second was six feet wide. Once annexed into the city, some street names were changed to avoid duplication of those street names, already in use elsewhere in Pittsburgh. Murray street became Madeline, and the original bend in Murray Ave.{ Look between Mur ray’s R’s on the 1905 map} has since been straightened. Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew and was also a township road in The Baldwin township until 1927. Take a look at The Crailo plan, Southern Avenue land company on the 1905 map, Just north of Our homes. This area was owned by John Agnew, beginning with its narrow lots on the North side of the street that bears his name. One of my early assumptions about this area; have been proved correct, this fifty two acre parcel of land; was given to John Agnew and his wife; by her father. Agnew and Chambers operated a glass works there. I contacted, Susan Buyers; An Agnew relative to ask if Agnew and Chambers had taken over Englert glass; the first glass factory in Pittsburgh. She did NOT verify that question. But If she had , another early historic puzzle piece would fall into place. Since the name Englertville was the local name prior to 1753 and when Doctor Brown set up the first post office naming it Carrick after his home town of Carrick au Suir, in Tipperary Ireland. <br />
John Agnew’s new home, likely faced the Southern road, (Brownsville road) after looking at a drawing of that house, I Assume;… for the moment ; that it sat where the BP gas station is today. If Agnew also had his South Side glass factory, this older Englert site was razed and resold in small lots; perhaps many of these new residents; were employee’s at his South Side glass works. The Concord church shown on this 1905 map is the “Stone” church where we vote. The original Concord church was a “Wooden” church, Both of the “Concord churches “will show on another survey map, available at Historic Pittsburgh; dated 1916. See the photo of the wooden church below. It was moved away from Brownsville road, Perhaps by Eichley {as they are World Famous for such things} of Pittsburgh but sat for a time in what is now their parking lot. It was used as a high school. <br />
<br />
The convent of Passionist nuns , in the photo above is located at 2700 Churchview Avenue at Spencer. <br />
The map to follow displays name and neighbor hood changes since 1905. This map section is from Concord church and north. On this map, also from 1905, you can see that there were four “ island ;.. flower planters” on THE Boulevard. Looking South /down from there you can see the name Phillips ave. and not, East Meyers Avenue.</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=User:Jkrynock&diff=32User:Jkrynock2008-06-07T16:28:39Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
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<div>Introduction and short History of the Carrick Overbrook Historical Society<br />
First order of business. The Hornaday road report<br />
John Rudiak and I, {Joe Krynock} were talking at the 2007 Hornaday Road, block party. John mentioned that he was researching deed information for his home and also for his daughter’s home. Since John had already been living here when I moved into Carrick (in 1982 ;) I asked John if he knew any historic details about Hornaday or Hornaday Road.<br />
I stated that I wanted to expand on, something I had found by accident. I told him that “Councilman” Phillips and Hornaday were friends. In fact; when they were not hunting together, they promoted stuff like Boy Scouting, better zoos and conservation. “Hornaday?, “Who was he?” John asked. So, I told him; William T. Hornaday was a Writer, a taxidermist and the director of the Bronx zoo. ” How did you find that?” John asked. “Honestly,… ,Years ago; I found and read a book called “Buck fever””,from the University of Pittsburgh Press. It’s about deer hunting and some history in Pennsylvania. It was written by Mike Sajna, {now deceased} I went home and found my copy of “Buck fever” and re-read pages 68 to 78 to refresh my memory. Then I sent this e mail to John. Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:01:16 AM<br />
Subject: Hornaday history : Hey John, Perhaps we could collaborate on a Hornaday history, A kind of story before next years block party . JOE K<br />
<br />
With these few clues we started “OUR” search @ August 20th2007 John and I started at the Recorder of Deeds office downtown. We researched thru many Deed books to track both of our property records. My initial purpose was to determine a build date for my home, no real date was found. We continued searching for details of Hornaday and Phillips family members, at the John Heinz history center. Independently; we looked for maps and stuff on internet sites. I believe; I found the map sources at Historic Pittsburgh. But it was John who took me into a new and uncharted territory,… with a website idea. John suggested that instead of saving reams of paper and info at our homes,… that we load it all ; into a website for all to explore in their own time and leisure. I found this survey map at Historic Pittsburgh project dated 1905 and I showed it to John. It showed that a John Phillips had owned a piano shaped piece of land for “his mansion”. His mansion faced the Southern Ave. This property extended ; EASTWARD > to the Rehman family property from; ” The Southern Ave, {also known as the Southern Road ” or “ The plank road, the toll road”} From Pittsburg to Brownsville Pennsylvania.(No > h on Pgh. in those early years) Brownsville was on the first “National Road” also known as route 40 today. It follows General Braddock’s campaign trail to our area. And it served as the first road to the west, (thru Pittsburgh) ,… from ports along the Atlantic coast. Lewis and Clark began their epic explorations , from Pittsburgh’s three rivers. <br />
So, “Uncle“ John Phillips owned the entire flat top area of what is now; “Our Hornaday Road” or addresses from 95 to 163 . (By my guess timate ; perhaps he had 16 acres. I added, lot 6 [ 6 acres and 115 perches] and lot 7 [> 6 acres and 42 perches ] = 12 acres + 157 perches , almost 13 acres for those two lots alone ; since 160 perches equals one acre. <br />
Without all dimensions for lots 1 > 5 that face Brownsville road between Agnew and Madeline; and two lots showing , 5.73 perches each ,….Assuming,…. those lots are equal and amount to > 28.65 perches > I guessed another 5.58 acres for lots 1 thru 5 ; where his home apparently sat .{160 perches equals one acre / which is 208.71 ft by / 208.71 = 43559.8641 sq. feet) <br />
This John Phillips was vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company (Formerly known as Lewis and Phillips on the South side.) His Mansion sat on lot 3 ; back from Brownsville road (where Hornaday Road is now) and his ”Governor’s style” curved driveway, likely for his horse drawn carriage about the time of the Civil war, curved away from his home to meet the streets; we NOW know as Agnew and Madeline. These street name changes will be explained later. The number 1 Lot, near Philips Mansion is the Zion church property now. This map above; also shows Southern Ave./ also known as Brownsville road , Murray street in now called Madeline, on this map; Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew. <br />
(More details later) <br />
Hornaday Road , did not exist according to this @ 1905 map , though plans for our homes and lots were done by a J.B.Murray , John Phillips only owned lots 1 thru 7. It should be easy for Hornaday residents to imagine “Our” road thru the center of his Homestead / Mansion and property Eastward to the bend in Hornaday road and downhill at Reaman . <br />
Rihman Heirs {note spelling change} / Bielau property then down hill to Dowling street, note the original Concord school property on lot 11. <br />
<br />
A close examination of the John Phillips home, reveals a platform and a telescope pointed skyward at the center of the roof. John Phillips had a son in 1864, named John. (No middle initial) At this point in time not much else; is known about him. <br />
John MacFarlane Phillips Born in 1861 is our connection to William T. Hornaday. John M. Phillips was not the son But the nephew of this John Phillip’s; the vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company. A better explanation follows in the paragraph below, it is a direct copy from Mike Sajna, in his book “Buck Fever” see pg 69. <br />
John MacFarlane Phillips was born February 15th. 1861. He was the son of James Phillips, one of the founders of the Oliver Iron and Steel Company, whose own father had come to Western Pennsylvania from Northern Ireland in 1795 to work as a blacksmith. Phillips attended public schools and then studied engineering and was made superintendent of the bolt works and forging plants of the Lewis Oliver and Phillip’s company. Later he became manager of the company’s mining equipment department and in 1899, with his Uncle John, purchased the company’s mine supply division and established the Phillip’s mine and Mill supply company.<br />
He was that company’s President one year later (1890) not bad at age 29 after starting at the south side company in 1880. < from John Heinz history center sources <br />
At this point of my history search, I do not know exactly when, our man;>“ John M ” Phillips and Hornaday met; I do know that He and Hornaday were hunting together in British Columbia in 1901. They were involved in many aspects of Game protection. The mad rush to the WEST , had nearly wiped out all fur bearers, noteably Buffalo and Beavers. <br />
There are references in various news articles that John M. Had married at that time and took his new bride (Harriet Duff - Phillip’s) to a ranch, where she stayed for a month. Hornaday and Phillips were in Colorado by 1903, by 1906 Phillip’s was an illustrator for another of Hornaday’s many conservation minded books; “Campfire in the Canadian Rockies” <br />
In 1907 they were in Mexico and as they had done before; Hornaday and Phillips donated even more animals from their hunts, for displays in Museums. At the Carnegie museum in Oakland, At least one of Phillips displays remains; in the hall of mammals; it is a glass enclosure of a family of Cheetahs. However, sharing time and common interests generally leads to more of the same. Their common interests; Zoos, conservation, camping and hunting helped bring these men together; there was a seven year age difference between them. Hornaday and Phillips realized that outdoor training and conservation / awareness would be fostered in youth thru Boy Scouting. They were not alone in their thinking. <br />
According to Mike Sajna; John MacFarlane Phillips organized the First Boy Scout troop in Pennsylvania, in 1910; it was the Second such troop in America. Phillip’s provided its members with a place to meet; in his home at 2336 Brownsville road. {At this point in time I am awaiting additional information , and//or confirmation of some of these details from a contact in the Pgh. Boy Scouts} Since February of 2008. This location is now the site of Saint Piax church, a small remnant of the original “castellated” stone wall remains between the church and the New Concord School, '''But most likely ,… not for long.'''''Italic text''. In front of the Church the wall had been lowered But it returns to it’s original “castellated” height and location in front of the 1907 home to the right of the church. Phillips home was also used for the celebration of many church services until 1959.<br />
<br />
Continuing the list of land owners involved with Hornaday Road at that time, We find the Bielau plan of lots beginning with address 201 downhill to approximately 229.<br />
Bernarding owned lots adjoining these, additional odd numbered addresses to 253? <br />
Directly on the opposite side were lots that were divided from August Waldman’s farm. In fact; this section of our road was called Waldman until several zoning changes were made in 1913. The earlier plan was to connect another 364 foot long section of road from Agnew to Hornaday road, but this would connect three sections of Red rose; (all 1202 feet long) but that would have required eliminating John Rudiaks lot and home at 219 Hornaday road.<br />
<br />
Eliza Weber owned all the lots on the eastern side of Redrose. At this time ten homes facing Redrose and perhaps four more facing Hornaday; share her original property. Roughly speaking, fourteen of the 22 addresses listed on this street seam to have been built by the same builder, and @ the same time; 1927. There are older homes, dated from 1876, 1900, 1904, 1907and 1910; if county records were always correct. As shown on the accompanying plan of lots, William F Seiger owned approximately two acres which was divided into 14 parcels. Ten lots were on the western side of Redrose and four lots were to face Hornaday. Two homes, at 218 and 220 Hornaday were built on lots three and four.<br />
My home at 216 was built on lots one and two.<br />
<br />
Prior to 1927, this area, was known as; Carrick borough; Lower Saint Clair and a part of The Baldwin township ; Carrick borough by a earlier dated local vote was officially annexed into the city of Pittsburgh ; in 1927. The Old and narrow borough building , is at 1808 Brownsville road , left of the old fire hall {More about “ it “later} Before 1927, Carrick already had the first sewerage system; just step out to Hornaday road to see the Carrick Boro logos, that John Rudiak found and photographed, on our manhole covers. <br />
In its borough days, Carrick also had the first filtered water supply in western Pennsylvania; with 180 psi pressure coming from the South Pittsburgh water plant, located at Beck’s run. Carrick boro and its business men had already begun paving its streets and sidewalks; with planks of wood three inches thick. John MacFarlane Phillips paid for two such sidewalks, they were from Becks Run , along Brownsville road to Mt Oliver. The first was four feet wide and the second was six feet wide. Once annexed into the city, some street names were changed to avoid duplication of those street names, already in use elsewhere in Pittsburgh. Murray street became Madeline, and the original bend in Murray Ave.{ Look between Mur ray’s R’s on the 1905 map} has since been straightened. Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew and was also a township road in The Baldwin township until 1927. Take a look at The Crailo plan, Southern Avenue land company on the 1905 map, Just north of Our homes. This area was owned by John Agnew, beginning with its narrow lots on the North side of the street that bears his name. One of my early assumptions about this area; have been proved correct, this fifty two acre parcel of land; was given to John Agnew and his wife; by her father. Agnew and Chambers operated a glass works there. I contacted, Susan Buyers; An Agnew relative to ask if Agnew and Chambers had taken over Englert glass; the first glass factory in Pittsburgh. She did NOT verify that question. But If she had , another early historic puzzle piece would fall into place. Since the name Englertville was the local name prior to 1753 and when Doctor Brown set up the first post office naming it Carrick after his home town of Carrick au Suir, in Tipperary Ireland. <br />
John Agnew’s new home, likely faced the Southern road, (Brownsville road) after looking at a drawing of that house, I Assume;… for the moment ; that it sat where the BP gas station is today. If Agnew also had his South Side glass factory, this older Englert site was razed and resold in small lots; perhaps many of these new residents; were employee’s at his South Side glass works. The Concord church shown on this 1905 map is the “Stone” church where we vote. The original Concord church was a “Wooden” church, Both of the “Concord churches “will show on another survey map, available at Historic Pittsburgh; dated 1916. See the photo of the wooden church below. It was moved away from Brownsville road, Perhaps by Eichley {as they are World Famous for such things} of Pittsburgh but sat for a time in what is now their parking lot. It was used as a high school. <br />
<br />
The convent of Passionist nuns , in the photo above is located at 2700 Churchview Avenue at Spencer. <br />
The map to follow displays name and neighbor hood changes since 1905. This map section is from Concord church and north. On this map, also from 1905, you can see that there were four “ island ;.. flower planters” on THE Boulevard. Looking South /down from there you can see the name Phillips ave. and not, East Meyers Avenue.</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=User:Jkrynock&diff=31User:Jkrynock2008-06-07T16:19:38Z<p>Jkrynock: New page: Introduction and short History of the Carrick Overbrook Historical Society First order of business. The Hornaday road report John Rudiak and I, {Joe Krynock} were talking at...</p>
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<div>Introduction and short History of the Carrick Overbrook Historical Society<br />
First order of business. The Hornaday road report<br />
John Rudiak and I, {Joe Krynock} were talking at the 2007 Hornaday Road, block party. John mentioned that he was researching deed information for his home and also for his daughter’s home. Since John had already been living here when I moved into Carrick (in 1982 ;) I asked John if he knew any historic details about Hornaday or Hornaday Road.<br />
I stated that I wanted to expand on, something I had found by accident. I told him that “Councilman” Phillips and Hornaday were friends. In fact; when they were not hunting together, they promoted stuff like Boy Scouting, better zoos and conservation. “Hornaday?, “Who was he?” John asked. So, I told him; William T. Hornaday was a Writer, a taxidermist and the director of the Bronx zoo. ” How did you find that?” John asked. “Honestly,… ,Years ago; I found and read a book called “Buck fever””,from the University of Pittsburgh Press. It’s about deer hunting and some history in Pennsylvania. It was written by Mike Sajna, {now deceased} I went home and found my copy of “Buck fever” and re-read pages 68 to 78 to refresh my memory. Then I sent this e mail to John. Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:01:16 AM<br />
Subject: Hornaday history : Hey John, Perhaps we could collaborate on a Hornaday history, A kind of story before next years block party . JOE K<br />
<br />
With these few clues we started “OUR” search @ August 20th2007 John and I started at the Recorder of Deeds office downtown. We researched thru many Deed books to track both of our property records. My initial purpose was to determine a build date for my home, no real date was found. We continued searching for details of Hornaday and Phillips family members, at the John Heinz history center. Independently; we looked for maps and stuff on internet sites. I believe; I found the map sources at Historic Pittsburgh. But it was John who took me into a new and uncharted territory,… with a website idea. John suggested that instead of saving reams of paper and info at our homes,… that we load it all ; into a website for all to explore in their own time and leisure. I found this survey map at Historic Pittsburgh project dated 1905 and I showed it to John. It showed that a John Phillips had owned a piano shaped piece of land for “his mansion”. His mansion faced the Southern Ave. This property extended ; EASTWARD > to the Rehman family property from; ” The Southern Ave, {also known as the Southern Road ” or “ The plank road, the toll road”} From Pittsburg to Brownsville Pennsylvania.(No > h on Pgh. in those early years) Brownsville was on the first “National Road” also known as route 40 today. It follows General Braddock’s campaign trail to our area. And it served as the first road to the west, (thru Pittsburgh) ,… from ports along the Atlantic coast. Lewis and Clark began their epic explorations , from Pittsburgh’s three rivers. <br />
So, “Uncle“ John Phillips owned the entire flat top area of what is now; “Our Hornaday Road” or addresses from 95 to 163 . (By my guess timate ; perhaps he had 16 acres. I added, lot 6 [ 6 acres and 115 perches] and lot 7 [> 6 acres and 42 perches ] = 12 acres + 157 perches , almost 13 acres for those two lots alone ; since 160 perches equals one acre. <br />
Without all dimensions for lots 1 > 5 that face Brownsville road between Agnew and Madeline; and two lots showing , 5.73 perches each ,….Assuming,…. those lots are equal and amount to > 28.65 perches > I guessed another 5.58 acres for lots 1 thru 5 ; where his home apparently sat .{160 perches equals one acre / which is 208.71 ft by / 208.71 = 43559.8641 sq. feet) <br />
This John Phillips was vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company (Formerly known as Lewis and Phillips on the South side.) His Mansion sat on lot 3 ; back from Brownsville road (where Hornaday Road is now) and his ”Governor’s style” curved driveway, likely for his horse drawn carriage about the time of the Civil war, curved away from his home to meet the streets;… we NOW know as Agnew and Madeline. These street name changes will be explained later. The number 1 Lot, near Philips Mansion is the Zion church property now. This map above; also shows Southern Ave./ also known as Brownsville road , Murray street in now called Madeline, on this map; Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew. (More details later) <br />
Hornaday Road , did not exist according to this @ 1905 map , though plans for our homes and lots were done by a J.B.Murray , John Phillips only owned lots 1 thru 7. It should be easy for Hornaday residents to imagine “Our” road thru the center of his Homestead / Mansion and property East to the bend in Hornaday road and downhill at Reaman . <br />
Rihman Heirs {note spelling change} / Bielau property then down hill to Dowling street, note the original Concord school property on lot 11. <br />
<br />
A close examination of the John Phillips home, reveals a platform and a telescope pointed skyward at the center of the roof. John Phillips had a son in 1864, named John. (No middle initial) At this point in time not much else; is known about him. <br />
John MacFarlane Phillips Born in 1861 is our connection to William T. Hornaday. John M. Phillips was not the son But the nephew of this John Phillip’s; the vice president of Oliver Iron and Steel Company. A better explanation follows in the paragraph below, it is a direct copy from Mike Sajna, in his book “Buck Fever” see pg 69. <br />
John MacFarlane Phillips was born February 15th. 1861. He was the son of James Phillips, one of the founders of the Oliver Iron and Steel Company, whose own father had come to Western Pennsylvania from Northern Ireland in 1795 to work as a blacksmith. Phillips attended public schools and then studied engineering and was made superintendent of the bolt works and forging plants of the Lewis Oliver and Phillip’s company. Later he became manager of the company’s mining equipment department and in 1899, with his Uncle John, purchased the company’s mine supply division and established the Phillip’s mine and Mill supply company.<br />
He was that company’s President one year later (1890) not bad at age 29 after starting at the south side company in 1880. < from John Heinz history center sources <br />
At this point of my history search, I do not know exactly when, our man “ John M ” Phillips and Hornaday met; I do know that He and Hornaday were hunting together in British Columbia in 1901. There are references in various news articles that John M. Had married at that time and took his new bride (Harriet Duff - Phillip’s) to a ranch, where she stayed for a month. Hornaday and Phillips were in Colorado by 1903, by 1906 Phillip’s was an illustrator for another of Hornaday’s many conservation minded books; “Campfire in the Canadian Rockies” <br />
In 1907 they were in Mexico and as they had done before; Hornaday and Phillips donated even more animals from their hunts, for displays in Museums. At the Carnegie museum in Oakland, At least one of Phillips displays remains; in the hall of mammals; it is a glass enclosure of a family of Cheetahs. However, sharing time and common interests generally leads to more of the same. Their common interests; Zoos, conservation, camping and hunting helped bring these men together; there was a seven year age difference between them. Hornaday and Phillips realized that outdoor training and conservation / awareness would be fostered in youth thru Boy Scouting. They were not alone in their thinking. <br />
According to Mike Sajna; John MacFarlane Phillips organized the First Boy Scout troop in Pennsylvania, in 1910; it was the Second such troop in America. Phillip’s provided its members with a place to meet; in his home at 2336 Brownsville road. {At this point in time I am awaiting additional information , and//or confirmation of some of these details from a contact in the Pgh. Boy Scouts} Since February of 2008. This location is now the site of Saint Piax church, a small remnant of the original “castellated” stone wall remains between the church and the New Concord School, But most likely ,… not for long.. In front of the Church the wall had been lowered But it returns to it’s original “castellated” height and location in front of the 1907 home to the right of the church. Phillips home was also used for the celebration of many church services until 1959.<br />
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Continuing the list of land owners involved with Hornaday Road at that time, We find the Bielau plan of lots beginning with address 201 downhill to approximately 229.<br />
Bernarding owned lots adjoining these, additional odd numbered addresses to 253? <br />
Directly on the opposite side were lots that were divided from August Waldman’s farm. In fact; this section of our road was called Waldman until several zoning changes were made in 1913. The earlier plan was to connect another 364 foot long section of road from Agnew to Hornaday road, but this would connect three sections of Red rose; (all 1202 feet long) but that would have required eliminating John Rudiaks lot and home at 219 Hornaday road.<br />
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Eliza Weber owned all the lots on the eastern side of Redrose. At this time ten homes facing Redrose and perhaps four more facing Hornaday; share her original property. Roughly speaking, fourteen of the 22 addresses listed on this street seam to have been built by the same builder, and @ the same time; 1927. There are older homes, dated from 1876, 1900, 1904, 1907and 1910; if county records were always correct. As shown on the accompanying plan of lots, William F Seiger owned approximately two acres which was divided into 14 parcels. Ten lots were on the western side of Redrose and four lots were to face Hornaday. Two homes, at 218 and 220 Hornaday were built on lots three and four.<br />
My home at 216 was built on lots one and two.<br />
<br />
Prior to 1927, this area, was known as; Carrick borough; Lower Saint Clair and a part of The Baldwin township ; Carrick borough by a earlier dated local vote was officially annexed into the city of Pittsburgh ; in 1927. The Old and narrow borough building , is at 1808 Brownsville road , left of the old fire hall {More about “ it “later} Before 1927, Carrick already had the first sewerage system; just step out to Hornaday road to see the Carrick Boro logos, that John Rudiak found and photographed, on our manhole covers. <br />
In its borough days, Carrick also had the first filtered water supply in western Pennsylvania; with 180 psi pressure coming from the South Pittsburgh water plant, located at Beck’s run. Carrick boro and its business men had already begun paving its streets and sidewalks; with planks of wood three inches thick. John MacFarlane Phillips paid for two such sidewalks, they were from Becks Run , along Brownsville road to Mt Oliver. The first was four feet wide and the second was six feet wide. Once annexed into the city, some street names were changed to avoid duplication of those street names, already in use elsewhere in Pittsburgh. Murray street became Madeline, and the original bend in Murray Ave.{ Look between Mur ray’s R’s on the 1905 map} has since been straightened. Beck’s avenue is Now called Agnew and was also a township road in The Baldwin township until 1927. Take a look at The Crailo plan, Southern Avenue land company on the 1905 map, Just north of Our homes. This area was owned by John Agnew, beginning with its narrow lots on the North side of the street that bears his name. One of my early assumptions about this area; have been proved correct, this fifty two acre parcel of land; was given to John Agnew and his wife; by her father. Agnew and Chambers operated a glass works there. I contacted, Susan Buyers; An Agnew relative to ask if Agnew and Chambers had taken over Englert glass; the first glass factory in Pittsburgh. She did NOT verify that question. But If she had , another early historic puzzle piece would fall into place. Since the name Englertville was the local name prior to 1753 and when Doctor Brown set up the first post office naming it Carrick after his home town of Carrick au Suir, in Tipperary Ireland. <br />
John Agnew’s new home, likely faced the Southern road, (Brownsville road) after looking at a drawing of that house, I Assume;… for the moment ; that it sat where the BP gas station is today. If Agnew also had his South Side glass factory, this older Englert site was razed and resold in small lots; perhaps many of these new residents; were employee’s at his South Side glass works. The Concord church shown on this 1905 map is the “Stone” church where we vote. The original Concord church was a “Wooden” church, Both of the “Concord churches “will show on another survey map, available at Historic Pittsburgh; dated 1916. See the photo of the wooden church below. It was moved away from Brownsville road, Perhaps by Eichley {as they are World Famous for such things} of Pittsburgh but sat for a time in what is now their parking lot. It was used as a high school. <br />
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The convent of Passionist nuns , in the photo above is located at 2700 Churchview Avenue at Spencer. <br />
The map to follow displays name and neighbor hood changes since 1905. This map section is from Concord church and north. On this map, also from 1905, you can see that there were four “ island ;.. flower planters” on THE Boulevard. Looking South /down from there you can see the name Phillips ave. and not, East Meyers Avenue.</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=William_T._Hornaday&diff=30William T. Hornaday2008-06-05T22:19:17Z<p>Jkrynock: </p>
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<div>[[Image:William Hornaday.jpg|thumb|William Hornaday feeding one of his charges in the [[Bronx Zoo|New York Zoological Park]] in 1920.]]<br />
<br />
'''William Temple Hornaday''', Sc.D. ([[December 1]],[[1854]] – [[March 6]], [[1937]]) was an American zoologist, realtor, conservationist, author, poet and songwriter. He revolutionized museum exhibits by displaying wildlife in their natural settings, and is credited with saving the [[American bison]] and the Alaskan [[fur seal]] from extinction.<br />
<br />
==Early life==<br />
Hornaday was born in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plainfield%2C_Indiana Plainfield, Indiana], and educated at [[Oskaloosa College]], the Iowa State Agricultural College (now [[Iowa State University]]) and in [[Europe]].<br />
<br />
He spent 1.5 years, 1877-1878 in India and Ceylon collecting specimens. In May 1878 he reached southeast Asia and traveled in [[Malay Peninsula|Malaya]] and [[Sarawak]] in Borneo. He served as chief [[taxidermist]] of the [[Smithsonian Institution|United States National Museum]] in 1882–1890. He help found the [[Smithsonian National Zoological Park]] in [[Washington, D.C.]] <ref name="nationalzoo/hornaday">[http://nationalzoo.si.edu/AboutUs/History/hornaday.cfm William Temple Hornaday: Visionary of the National Zoo] (Smithsonian National Zoological Park). Accessed 3-29-2007</ref><br />
<br />
He was appointed director of the [[Bronx Zoo|New York Zoological Park]] in 1896 and became president of the Permanent Wild Life Protective Association. He co-founded (with [[Theodore Roosevelt]]) the [[American Bison Society]] in 1905 and served as its president from 1907 to 1910. He was able to exert some influence which led to the passage of legislation which extended protection to wild birds, game, bison, seals, and wild life in general. Hornaday wrote many magazine articles and books.<br />
<br />
==Scandal at the Zoo==<br />
Dr. Hornaday's tenure as director of the zoo met some controversy in September 1906, when [[Ota Benga]], a [[pygmy]] native of the Congo, was placed on display in the monkey house. Benga shot targets with a bow and arrow, wove twine, and wrestled with an orangutan. Although, according to the New York Times, "few expressed audible objection to the sight of a human being in a cage with monkeys as companions,” controversy erupted as black clergyman in the city took great offense. “Our race, we think, is depressed enough, without exhibiting one of us with the apes,” said the Rev. James H. Gordon, superintendent of the Howard Colored Orphan Asylum in Brooklyn. “We think we are worthy of being considered human beings, with souls.” <br />
<br />
New York Mayor [[George B. McClellan, Jr.]] refused to meet with the clergyman, drawing the praise of Dr. Hornaday, who wrote to him, “When the history of the Zoological Park is written, this incident will form its most amusing passage.” <br />
<br />
As the controversy continued, Hornaday remained unapologetic, insisting that his only intention was to put on an “ethnological exhibit.” In another letter, he said that he and [[Madison Grant]], the secretary of the New York Zoological Society, who 10 years later would publish the racialist tract “The Passing of the Great Race,” considered it “imperative that the society should not even seem to be dictated to” by the black clergymen.<br />
<br />
Still, Hornaday decided to close the exhibit after just two days, and on Monday, September 8, Benga could be found walking the zoo grounds, often followed by a crowd “howling, jeering and yelling."<ref name="nytimes">{{cite web| url=http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/06/nyregion/thecity/06zoo.html?ex=1155009600&en=c2cc9b84edc068cd&ei=5087%0A| title=New York Times, August 6, 2006. "The Scandal at the Zoo." |accessdate=August 06|accessyear=2006}}</ref><br />
<br />
==Influence on Scouting==<br />
{{details|William T. Hornaday Awards}}<br />
Hornaday had a large impact on the [[Scouting]] movement and especially the [[Boy Scouts of America]] (BSA). Not only is there is a series of [[Conservation ecology|conservation]] awards named after him, but his beliefs and writings are a major reason and [[ecology]] have long been an important part of the BSA's program.<ref name="bsafacts">{{cite web| url=http://www.usscouts.org/history/hornadayawardfacts.html | work=US Scouts.org| title=Hornaday Facts|accessdate=February 04|accessyear=2006}}</ref><br />
<br />
This awards program was created in 1915 by Dr. Hornaday. He named the award the Wildlife Protection Medal. Its purpose was to challenge Americans to work constructively for wildlife conservation and habitat protection. After his death in 1938, the award was renamed in Dr. Hornaday's honor and became a BSA award.<br />
<br />
==Selected books==<br />
[[Image:Extermination of bison to 1889.png|thumb|300px|This map based on Hornaday's research.]]<br />
<br />
* ''Two Years in the Jungle'' (1885; seventh edition, 1901) <br />
* ''Free Run on the Congo'' (1887) <br />
* ''The Extermination of the American Bison'' (1887) <br />
* ''Taxidermy and Zoölogical Collecting'' (1891) <br />
* ''The Man who Became a Savage'' (1896) <br />
* ''Guide to the New York Zoölogical Park'' (1899) <br />
* ''The American Natural History'' (1904; revised edition, four volumes, 1914) <br />
* ''Campfires in the Canadian Rockies'' (1906) <br />
* ''Campfires on Desert and Lava'' (1908) <br />
* ''Our Vanishing Wild Life'' (1913) <br />
* ''Wild Life Conservation in Theory and Practice'' (1914)<br />
<br />
==Footnotes==<br />
{{reflist}}<br />
<br />
==See also==<br />
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== External links ==<br />
* {{gutenberg author| id=William+Temple+Hornaday | name=William Temple Hornaday}}<br />
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<div>[[Image:William Hornaday.jpg|thumb|William Hornaday feeding one of his charges in the [[Bronx Zoo|New York Zoological Park]] in 1920.]]<br />
<br />
'''William Temple Hornaday''', [[Doctor of Science|Sc.D.]] ([[December 1]],[[1854]] – [[March 6]], [[1937]]) was an [[United States|American]] [[zoologist]], realtor, conservationist, author, poet and songwriter. He revolutionized museum exhibits by displaying wildlife in their natural settings, and is credited with saving the [[American bison]] and the Alaskan [[fur seal]] from extinction.<br />
<br />
==Early life==<br />
Hornaday was born in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plainfield%2C_Indiana Plainfield, Indiana], and educated at [[Oskaloosa College]], the Iowa State Agricultural College (now [[Iowa State University]]) and in [[Europe]].<br />
<br />
He spent 1.5 years, 1877-1878 in India and Ceylon collecting specimens. In May 1878 he reached southeast Asia and traveled in [[Malay Peninsula|Malaya]] and [[Sarawak]] in Borneo. He served as chief [[taxidermist]] of the [[Smithsonian Institution|United States National Museum]] in 1882–1890. He help found the [[Smithsonian National Zoological Park]] in [[Washington, D.C.]] <ref name="nationalzoo/hornaday">[http://nationalzoo.si.edu/AboutUs/History/hornaday.cfm William Temple Hornaday: Visionary of the National Zoo] (Smithsonian National Zoological Park). Accessed 3-29-2007</ref><br />
<br />
He was appointed director of the [[Bronx Zoo|New York Zoological Park]] in 1896 and became president of the Permanent Wild Life Protective Association. He co-founded (with [[Theodore Roosevelt]]) the [[American Bison Society]] in 1905 and served as its president from 1907 to 1910. He was able to exert some influence which led to the passage of legislation which extended protection to wild birds, game, bison, seals, and wild life in general. Hornaday wrote many magazine articles and books.<br />
<br />
==Scandal at the Zoo==<br />
Dr. Hornaday's tenure as director of the zoo met some controversy in September 1906, when [[Ota Benga]], a [[pygmy]] native of the Congo, was placed on display in the monkey house. Benga shot targets with a bow and arrow, wove twine, and wrestled with an orangutan. Although, according to the New York Times, "few expressed audible objection to the sight of a human being in a cage with monkeys as companions,” controversy erupted as black clergyman in the city took great offense. “Our race, we think, is depressed enough, without exhibiting one of us with the apes,” said the Rev. James H. Gordon, superintendent of the Howard Colored Orphan Asylum in Brooklyn. “We think we are worthy of being considered human beings, with souls.” <br />
<br />
New York Mayor [[George B. McClellan, Jr.]] refused to meet with the clergyman, drawing the praise of Dr. Hornaday, who wrote to him, “When the history of the Zoological Park is written, this incident will form its most amusing passage.” <br />
<br />
As the controversy continued, Hornaday remained unapologetic, insisting that his only intention was to put on an “ethnological exhibit.” In another letter, he said that he and [[Madison Grant]], the secretary of the New York Zoological Society, who 10 years later would publish the racialist tract “The Passing of the Great Race,” considered it “imperative that the society should not even seem to be dictated to” by the black clergymen.<br />
<br />
Still, Hornaday decided to close the exhibit after just two days, and on Monday, September 8, Benga could be found walking the zoo grounds, often followed by a crowd “howling, jeering and yelling."<ref name="nytimes">{{cite web| url=http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/06/nyregion/thecity/06zoo.html?ex=1155009600&en=c2cc9b84edc068cd&ei=5087%0A| title=New York Times, August 6, 2006. "The Scandal at the Zoo." |accessdate=August 06|accessyear=2006}}</ref><br />
<br />
==Influence on Scouting==<br />
{{details|William T. Hornaday Awards}}<br />
Hornaday had a large impact on the [[Scouting]] movement and especially the [[Boy Scouts of America]] (BSA). Not only is there is a series of [[Conservation ecology|conservation]] awards named after him, but his beliefs and writings are a major reason and [[ecology]] have long been an important part of the BSA's program.<ref name="bsafacts">{{cite web| url=http://www.usscouts.org/history/hornadayawardfacts.html | work=US Scouts.org| title=Hornaday Facts|accessdate=February 04|accessyear=2006}}</ref><br />
<br />
This awards program was created in 1915 by Dr. Hornaday. He named the award the Wildlife Protection Medal. Its purpose was to challenge Americans to work constructively for wildlife conservation and habitat protection. After his death in 1938, the award was renamed in Dr. Hornaday's honor and became a BSA award.<br />
<br />
==Selected books==<br />
[[Image:Extermination of bison to 1889.png|thumb|300px|This map based on Hornaday's research.]]<br />
<br />
* ''Two Years in the Jungle'' (1885; seventh edition, 1901) <br />
* ''Free Run on the Congo'' (1887) <br />
* ''The Extermination of the American Bison'' (1887) <br />
* ''Taxidermy and Zoölogical Collecting'' (1891) <br />
* ''The Man who Became a Savage'' (1896) <br />
* ''Guide to the New York Zoölogical Park'' (1899) <br />
* ''The American Natural History'' (1904; revised edition, four volumes, 1914) <br />
* ''Campfires in the Canadian Rockies'' (1906) <br />
* ''Campfires on Desert and Lava'' (1908) <br />
* ''Our Vanishing Wild Life'' (1913) <br />
* ''Wild Life Conservation in Theory and Practice'' (1914)<br />
<br />
==Footnotes==<br />
{{reflist}}<br />
<br />
==See also==<br />
{{portal|Scouting|Scout logo2.svg}}<br />
<br />
== External links ==<br />
* {{gutenberg author| id=William+Temple+Hornaday | name=William Temple Hornaday}}<br />
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[[Category:1937 deaths|Hornaday, William Temple]]<br />
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[[Category:American zoologists|Hornaday, William Temple]]<br />
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[[Category:People from Indiana|Hornaday, William Temple]]<br />
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<div>[[Image:William Hornaday.jpg|thumb|William Hornaday feeding one of his charges in the [[Bronx Zoo|New York Zoological Park]] in 1920.]]<br />
<br />
'''William Temple Hornaday''', [[Doctor of Science|Sc.D.]] ([[December 1]],[[1854]] – [[March 6]], [[1937]]) was an [[United States|American]] [[zoologist]], realtor, conservationist, author, poet and songwriter. He revolutionized museum exhibits by displaying wildlife in their natural settings, and is credited with saving the [[American bison]] and the Alaskan [[fur seal]] from extinction.<br />
<br />
==Early life==<br />
Hornaday was born in [[Plainfield, Indiana]], and educated at [[Oskaloosa College]], the Iowa State Agricultural College (now [[Iowa State University]]) and in [[Europe]].<br />
<br />
He spent 1.5 years, 1877-1878 in India and Ceylon collecting specimens. In May 1878 he reached southeast Asia and traveled in [[Malay Peninsula|Malaya]] and [[Sarawak]] in Borneo. He served as chief [[taxidermist]] of the [[Smithsonian Institution|United States National Museum]] in 1882–1890. He help found the [[Smithsonian National Zoological Park]] in [[Washington, D.C.]] <ref name="nationalzoo/hornaday">[http://nationalzoo.si.edu/AboutUs/History/hornaday.cfm William Temple Hornaday: Visionary of the National Zoo] (Smithsonian National Zoological Park). Accessed 3-29-2007</ref><br />
<br />
He was appointed director of the [[Bronx Zoo|New York Zoological Park]] in 1896 and became president of the Permanent Wild Life Protective Association. He co-founded (with [[Theodore Roosevelt]]) the [[American Bison Society]] in 1905 and served as its president from 1907 to 1910. He was able to exert some influence which led to the passage of legislation which extended protection to wild birds, game, bison, seals, and wild life in general. Hornaday wrote many magazine articles and books.<br />
<br />
==Scandal at the Zoo==<br />
Dr. Hornaday's tenure as director of the zoo met some controversy in September 1906, when [[Ota Benga]], a [[pygmy]] native of the Congo, was placed on display in the monkey house. Benga shot targets with a bow and arrow, wove twine, and wrestled with an orangutan. Although, according to the New York Times, "few expressed audible objection to the sight of a human being in a cage with monkeys as companions,” controversy erupted as black clergyman in the city took great offense. “Our race, we think, is depressed enough, without exhibiting one of us with the apes,” said the Rev. James H. Gordon, superintendent of the Howard Colored Orphan Asylum in Brooklyn. “We think we are worthy of being considered human beings, with souls.” <br />
<br />
New York Mayor [[George B. McClellan, Jr.]] refused to meet with the clergyman, drawing the praise of Dr. Hornaday, who wrote to him, “When the history of the Zoological Park is written, this incident will form its most amusing passage.” <br />
<br />
As the controversy continued, Hornaday remained unapologetic, insisting that his only intention was to put on an “ethnological exhibit.” In another letter, he said that he and [[Madison Grant]], the secretary of the New York Zoological Society, who 10 years later would publish the racialist tract “The Passing of the Great Race,” considered it “imperative that the society should not even seem to be dictated to” by the black clergymen.<br />
<br />
Still, Hornaday decided to close the exhibit after just two days, and on Monday, September 8, Benga could be found walking the zoo grounds, often followed by a crowd “howling, jeering and yelling."<ref name="nytimes">{{cite web| url=http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/06/nyregion/thecity/06zoo.html?ex=1155009600&en=c2cc9b84edc068cd&ei=5087%0A| title=New York Times, August 6, 2006. "The Scandal at the Zoo." |accessdate=August 06|accessyear=2006}}</ref><br />
<br />
==Influence on Scouting==<br />
{{details|William T. Hornaday Awards}}<br />
Hornaday had a large impact on the [[Scouting]] movement and especially the [[Boy Scouts of America]] (BSA). Not only is there is a series of [[Conservation ecology|conservation]] awards named after him, but his beliefs and writings are a major reason and [[ecology]] have long been an important part of the BSA's program.<ref name="bsafacts">{{cite web| url=http://www.usscouts.org/history/hornadayawardfacts.html | work=US Scouts.org| title=Hornaday Facts|accessdate=February 04|accessyear=2006}}</ref><br />
<br />
This awards program was created in 1915 by Dr. Hornaday. He named the award the Wildlife Protection Medal. Its purpose was to challenge Americans to work constructively for wildlife conservation and habitat protection. After his death in 1938, the award was renamed in Dr. Hornaday's honor and became a BSA award.<br />
<br />
==Selected books==<br />
[[Image:Extermination of bison to 1889.png|thumb|300px|This map based on Hornaday's research.]]<br />
<br />
* ''Two Years in the Jungle'' (1885; seventh edition, 1901) <br />
* ''Free Run on the Congo'' (1887) <br />
* ''The Extermination of the American Bison'' (1887) <br />
* ''Taxidermy and Zoölogical Collecting'' (1891) <br />
* ''The Man who Became a Savage'' (1896) <br />
* ''Guide to the New York Zoölogical Park'' (1899) <br />
* ''The American Natural History'' (1904; revised edition, four volumes, 1914) <br />
* ''Campfires in the Canadian Rockies'' (1906) <br />
* ''Campfires on Desert and Lava'' (1908) <br />
* ''Our Vanishing Wild Life'' (1913) <br />
* ''Wild Life Conservation in Theory and Practice'' (1914)<br />
<br />
==Footnotes==<br />
{{reflist}}<br />
<br />
==See also==<br />
{{portal|Scouting|Scout logo2.svg}}<br />
<br />
== External links ==<br />
* {{gutenberg author| id=William+Temple+Hornaday | name=William Temple Hornaday}}<br />
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[[Category:1937 deaths|Hornaday, William Temple]]<br />
[[Category:American explorers|Hornaday, William Temple]]<br />
[[Category:American non-fiction writers|Hornaday, William Temple]]<br />
[[Category:American zoologists|Hornaday, William Temple]]<br />
[[Category:People associated with the Boy Scouts of America|Hornaday, William Temple]]<br />
[[Category:People from Indiana|Hornaday, William Temple]]<br />
[[Category:Smithsonian Institution people|Hornaday, William Temple]]</div>Jkrynockhttp://wiki.carrick-overbrook.org/?title=File:William_Hornaday.jpg&diff=26File:William Hornaday.jpg2008-06-05T22:00:16Z<p>Jkrynock: Public domain picture of William T. Hornaday</p>
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